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#57081 10/23/2021 7:18 PM
by Tom
Tom
On another thread I started, Anthony mentioned
NeoCalvinism.
I am starting this thread because my question
is not in keeping with the other discussion.


Anthony mentioned NeoCalvinism and it got me a bit curious.

Lately in discussions, NeoCalvinism, have been
brought up fairly often in discussions, particularly
about how we as believers should be responding to
Government Covid mandates etc...
At first when they mentioned it, I thought
they were talking about “Theonomy”. However, I soon
found out Theonomy had nothing to do with
what they were talking about.Though it seemed to be related.

However, most of it was going over my head; so I dropped
out of the discussion.

I thought perhaps, by bringing it up here. Someone could shed some light on the subject.
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#57104 Nov 5th a 11:07 AM
by Pilgrim
Pilgrim
Originally Posted by Tom
Except when it means choosing between obeying God or obeying our government.
With these government mandates, they are forcing many to do just that. (quoting someone else)
I must disagree, which I have done here several times already on this and similar issues dealing with gov't orders. When the country has a founding document such as the United States Constitution which GUARANTEES God-given INALIENABLE (shall not/cannot be infringed) RIGHTS, citizens are under no obligation to obey such ILLEGAL orders. Here, in the U.S. this is something which has been recognized by all agencies, e.g., military and law enforcement. No soldier nor police officer is required to obey any order/command which violates those rights and freedoms recognized in the Constitution Bill of Rights. The vaccine mandates from employers, governors, Congress, the President or any court are illegal. The same is true for lock downs where the right to freely practice one's religion or gather together in a peaceful assembly or to own and have on one's possession a firearm, etc. are prohibited. All other governmental laws, orders, etc. are to be obeyed which do not require a Christian to do that which God has forbidden or to not do what God has commanded. I know in Canada there is the Constitution and the amendment of the Charter of Rights. I do not know the exact wording of those documents, but I am going to assume that they likewise GUARANTEE certain rights and freedoms of all citizens which cannot be infringed upon by anyone and particularly the government. Actually, if one understand the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights was written to limit the government in its powers, thus preserving the freedoms enumerated therein. No citizen in the U.S. need 'ask for permission' of the government to exercise ANY of the rights and freedoms guaranteed to them. Those freedoms are innate to all citizens who have not been found guilty of some serious crime.

So, those who you keep mentioning who think that Christians are obligated to obey their respective government orders, laws, policies without question, allowing for only biblical commandments to obey or biblical prohibitions, are potentially incorrect where the country they live in has a founding document which guarantees certain specific rights and freedoms to its citizens. If the government oversteps its authority and infringes upon those rights and freedoms, the government is guilty of a crime and is subject to punishment by the judicial system. Admittedly, in real life, this rarely happens, although the Supreme Court in the U.S. has overruled governmental laws, policies, mandates. In fact, there are a few cases being considered and some due to be considered by SCOTUS where states have enacted laws which are clearly anti-Constitution, e.g., the right of every citizen to own and bear arms, the right to life of the unborn, the right of citizens to own certain types of firearms, magazine capacities, etc. Hopefully, the court will rule against all these laws and restrictions which it has done in the past. [Linked Image]
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#57112 Nov 6th a 09:50 PM
by Anthony C.
Anthony C.
Don’t let anyone tell you what we, as Christians, are obligated to do. We alone are responsible for our decisions. Nobody can discern for us. Even our own pastors are not infallible on all matters. I’m not saying this to evoke a rebellious spirit but to prepare you that there are assuredly many who we will look toward for wisdom who will fail us. Anything coercive, especially putting/injecting a foreign, experimental substance into our own body, should be scrutinized to the fullest…..

See the Techno-Fascism that lurks behind Covid …..It is not of God.


Someone like Pilgrim has a good track record on these matters so he is trustworthy. I don’t trust Al Mohler, for example. I kicked myself off Puritanboard cause the cognitive dissonance with Covid was too much.
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#57113 Nov 7th a 10:54 AM
by Pilgrim
Pilgrim
Thanks for the vote of confidence. blush That video really shows how much the government has control over some of the most important aspects of your life. The need to present some form of identification/verification is oppressive.... HOWEVER it also demonstrates the rank hypocrisy of the Left which vehemently opposes the necessity of a voter ID because that would eliminate a significant percentage of their voters, e.g., dead people, illegal aliens, non-existent people, ineligible voters and multiple votes by one individual. evilgrin
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#57111 Nov 6th a 08:02 PM
by Pilgrim
Pilgrim
Originally Posted by Tom
Pilgrim

I did not say that because it surprises me; it doesn't. Wisdom is definitely needed before one opens ones mouth.
And wisdom is needed to discern the spiritual state of the ones to whom we might speak. [Linked Image]
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#57130 Nov 12th a 02:36 AM
by Pilgrim
Pilgrim
Originally Posted by Tom
As I mentioned they may not agree with the mandates; but they believe under the circumstances the unvaccinated are forcing them to do what they need to do.
The FACT is, the vaccines are not nearly as effective as claimed. The countries where 75%-90% of the people are vaccinated have the highest number of infections. It is factually totally false that the blame rests upon the unvaccinated. And hospitalizations and deaths occur more with vaccinated than unvaccinated because those who have contracted COVID have a much more effective immunity than the vaccines provide, which is now found to be around 30%.

Again... stop whining about all the people who reject the truth and choose to believe the lies of the politicians, media and big corporations who are making enormous sums of money, and gaining more and more control of the ignorant 'sheep'. You worry far too much about being accepted by relatives and so-called friends. But what has light to do with darkness? They are of the world.. And you profess to have been called out of this world and delivered from all the philosophies and ways of the world. Persecution is what follows all who strive to live a holy life in Christ Jesus and find truth in the Bible.

Amos 3:3 (ASV) "Shall two walk together, except they have agreed?"

Matthew 10:32-40 (ASV) 32 Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven. 34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: 36 and a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it; and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
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#57132 Nov 12th a 07:02 PM
by Anthony C.
Anthony C.
You have a good head about all this. I’m frustrated just hearing the reactions you are getting. But understand, nobody wants to believe the capacity for evil that men, even and especially men in high places, are capable of. Only God can humble, enlighten and comfort us. I tend to agree with pilgrim. And those who are vaxxed are probably going to stand by their choice.
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