As Pilgrim knows I am a "soft" Clarkian (who's presupositional)and while Gordon Clark is mediocre on theology he is quite useful in philosophy (after all he was a philosopher). Having said that, I have recently read "Light of the Mind: St. Augustine's Theory of Knowledge" by Roland Nash. What a book!
I have come to understand that neither Van Til, nor Clark began the presupositionalist apologetic. Indeed, Augustine was the first post apostolic writer to consider the etomology of human understanding as it relates to God. I am convinced that Augustine was right, and if anyone is interested in the first presupositional view outside the Bible, read Nash's book.
Again, having said that
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Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones (one of my favorite men of the recent past)in his fantastic lectures at Westminster East on Preaching and Preachers aproached aoplogetics in a different manner in dealing with the unbeliever. He does not debate God.
Lloyd-Jones teaches (in tape 11 I believe) that it is sinful to debate the reality of God with an unbeliever. He contends that Roman's 1 insists that the unbeliever already knows God IS, and "suppresses the truth in unrighteousness". This is presupositional indeed, and Lloyd-Jones was a VanTillian I believe. However, Lloyd-Jones said engaging in debate with the unbeliever over the reality of God
is a futile effort (Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.)
Lloyd-Jones says that the real function of the evangelist and pastor in light of the questions raised by the unbeliever is not science, philosophy, or logic, but "the foolishness of the Gospel" (1 Cor 1:18, 21).
I must admit that Lloyd-Jones has a point. We do not find the Apostles engaging in philosophical or scientific debates regarding the risen Lord, but instead preaching the Truth(Acts 2, Acts 17;23).
I am becoming more and more convinced that the place of apologetics is internal to the Christian Church not external to the world. What I mean by that is, apologetics as a science is meant for the building up of the saints in confidence by way of science, reason, and logic. It might be best for the intramural debate between Evdentialists and Presupositionalists to argue in such a way, but I wonder if it is best for the Church to do the same with the world?
All men know there is a God (Romans 1).
Why waste breath debating something they already know IS.
Why not instead quote the Word, preach the gospel, and call them to repentance?
Any thoughts?
Kind regards,
Octavius.
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