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Re: A response to the papal encycylical 'Magnifici Humanitas' on AI
Pilgrim
Yesterday at 10:25 PM
The author has done a commendable job and is, IMHO, worth reading. Methinks the average believer should not engage with Rome but dismiss it for it is far too easy to be deceived and led astray. Scholarly, trained and faithful men may engage with such writings as academic exercise and then counsel the church as to the value, demerits and dangers involved. Karl Barth may have uttered some truths concerning God, but he is certainly not recommended reading to one who desires to gather truth and grow in grace. Scripture is the sole and final authority for all matters of faith and life. And so few professing believers, laity and clergy alike, in our day have a rudimentary grasp of what God has revealed in His word, never mind putting it to practice. As the author mentions wisely as has been the perennial question, "Who guards the guardians?" Far too many "intellectual giants" have gone astray and thus wisdom from on high surely should be prayed for an sought after through the contents of divine revelation; the Bible. I have seen too many totally errant results come from AI on items such as politic and morals. The creators of the algorithms have a bias and it is reflected in their creations. In short, my opinion is... BEWARE of AI in matters of morals, justice, etc. which Scripture is most always perspicuous for specific applications and for general application and principles of good, truth and righteousness.
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Re: Years between Niveveh's repentance and the Assyrian invasion of the Northern Kindgom
Pilgrim
Yesterday at 09:30 PM
What do we make of Nineveh's repentance in Jonah? Was it total or partial? It wasn't that many years between their repentance and their invasion of the Northern Kingdom. Their repentance must not have lasted long. 1. One's repentance does not necessarily equate to a single act which is never repeated. Even Christians can and do repent of some sin and then repeat it again, even many times. But they repent at each offense and beg for God's forgiveness. (cf. Paul's confession of his struggle after conversion in Rom 7 and 1Jh 1:9,10). 2. It is estimated that a period of 38 to 50 years elapsed between Ninevah's repentance and its invasion of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians.
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Memorial Day
Pilgrim
Yesterday at 09:41 AM
Today, in the United States of America we celebrate in remembrance those who have given their very lives in battle and service to our country that freedom may live on and liberty enjoyed by all. It is indeed a time of remembrance of the dead but also of reflection upon those who are currently serving in the military and other first responders so that all here and those elsewhere who likewise are doing what we too often take for granted and that which they risk their lives that we may go about our everyday lives. Take just a moment out of your busy routine today and give thanks to God for the manifest blessings you are enjoying because He has raised up brave men and women to fight and work to keep you free from the evil of this world. And remember the families that have lost their sons and daughters who gave the ultimate price to preserve what we have now and hopefully for many years to come. In Flanders Fields John McCrae 1872 –1918
In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.
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"Forsake me not, O Lord."
Pilgrim
Yesterday at 09:25 AM
05/25/AM
"Forsake me not, O Lord."
—Psalms 38:18-22 (KJV) "18. For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin. 19. But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. 20. They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow the thing that good is. 21. Forsake me not, O LORD: O my God, be not far from me. 22. Make haste to help me, O Lord my salvation."
Frequently we pray that God would not forsake us in the hour of trial and temptation, but we too much forget that we have need to use this prayer at all times. There is no moment of our life, however holy, in which we can do without His constant upholding. Whether in light or in darkness, in communion or in temptation, we alike need the prayer, "Forsake me not, O Lord." "Hold Thou me up, and I shall be safe." A little child, while learning to walk, always needs the nurse's aid. The ship left by the pilot drifts at once from her course. We cannot do without continued aid from above; let it then be your prayer to-day, "Forsake me not. Father, forsake not Thy child, lest he fall by the hand of the enemy. Shepherd, forsake not Thy lamb, lest he wander from the safety of the fold. Great Husbandman, forsake not Thy plant, lest it wither and die. 'Forsake me not, O Lord,' now; and forsake me not at any moment of my life. Forsake me not in my joys, lest they absorb my heart. Forsake me not in my sorrows, lest I murmur against Thee. Forsake me not in the day of my repentance, lest I lose the hope of pardon, and fall into despair; and forsake me not in the day of my strongest faith, lest faith degenerate into presumption. Forsake me not, for without Thee I am weak, but with Thee I am strong. Forsake me not, for my path is dangerous, and full of snares, and I cannot do without Thy guidance. The hen forsakes not her brood, do Thou then evermore cover me with Thy feathers, and permit me under Thy wings to find my refuge. 'Be not far from me, O Lord, for trouble is near, for there is none to help.' 'Leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation!'"
"O ever in our cleansed breast, Bid Thine Eternal Spirit rest; And make our secret soul to be A temple pure and worthy Thee."
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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"Blessed be God, which hath nor turned away my prayer."
Pilgrim
Sun May 24, 2026 10:40 AM
05/24/AM
"Blessed be God, which hath nor turned away my prayer."
—Psalm 66:20 "Blessed be God, Who hath not turned away my prayer, Nor his lovingkindness from me."
In looking back upon the character of our prayers, if we do it honestly, we shall be filled with wonder that God has ever answered them. There may be some who think their I prayers worthy of acceptance--as the Pharisee did; but the true Christian, in a more enlightened retrospect, weeps over his prayers, and if he could retrace his steps he would desire to pray more earnestly. Remember, Christian, how cold thy prayers have been. When in thy closet thou shouldst have wrestled as Jacob did; but instead thereof, thy petitions have been faint and few--far removed from that humble, believing, persevering faith, which cries, "I will not let Thee go except Thou bless me." Yet, wonderful to say, God has heard these cold prayers of thine, and not only heard, but answered them. Reflect also, how infrequent have been thy prayers, unless thou hast been in trouble, and then thou hast gone often to the mercy-seat: but when deliverance has come, where has been thy constant supplication? Yet, notwithstanding thou hast ceased to pray as once thou didst, God has not ceased to bless. When thou hast neglected the mercy-seat, God has not deserted it, but the bright light of the Shekinah has always been visible between the wings of the cherubim. Oh! it is marvellous that the Lord should regard those intermittent spasms of importunity which come and go with our necessities. What a God is He thus to hear the prayers of those who come to Him when they have pressing wants, but neglect Him when they have received a mercy; who approach Him when they are forced to come, but who almost forget to address Him when mercies are plentiful and sorrows are few. Let His gracious kindness in hearing such prayers touch our hearts, so that we may henceforth be found "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit."
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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God is sovereign
chestnutmare
Sat May 23, 2026 10:45 AM
There can be no progress in Divine things until there is the personal recognition that God is Supreme, that He is to be feared and revered, that He is to be owned and served as Lord.…
To say that God is sovereign is to declare that He is the Almighty, the Possessor of all power in Heaven and earth, so that none can defeat His counsels, thwart His purpose, or resist His will.... The sovereignty of the God of Scripture is absolute, irresistible, infinite.” To put it now in its strongest form, we insist that God does as He pleases, only as He pleases, always as He pleases; that whatever takes place in time is but the outworking of that which He decreed in eternity.
~ Arthur Pink, “The Sovereignty of God”
“You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior. I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, And there was no foreign god among you; Therefore you are My witnesses,” Says the LORD, “that I am God. Indeed before the day was, I am He; And there is no one who can deliver out of My hand; I work, and who will reverse it?” Isaiah 43:10-13
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"The Lord will perfect that which concerneth me."
Pilgrim
Sat May 23, 2026 10:06 AM
05/23/AM
"The Lord will perfect that which concerneth me."
—Psalm 138:8 "The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands."
Most manifestly the confidence which the Psalmist here expressed was a divine confidence. He did not say, "I have grace enough to perfect that which concerneth me--my faith is so steady that it will not stagger--my love is so warm that it will never grow cold--my resolution is so firm that nothing can move it; no, his dependence was on the Lord alone. If we indulge in any confidence which is not grounded on the Rock of ages, our confidence is worse than a dream, it will fall upon us, and cover us with its ruins, to our sorrow and confusion. All that Nature spins time will unravel, to the eternal confusion of all who are clothed therein. The Psalmist was wise, he rested upon nothing short of the Lord's work. It is the Lord who has begun the good work within us; it is He who has carried it on; and if he does not finish it, it never will be complete. If there be one stitch in the celestial garment of our righteousness which we are to insert ourselves, then we are lost; but this is our confidence, the Lord who began will perfect. He has done it all, must do it all, and will do it all. Our confidence must not be in what we have done, nor in what we have resolved to do, but entirely in what the Lord will do. Unbelief insinuates-- "You will never be able to stand. Look at the evil of your heart, you can never conquer sin; remember the sinful pleasures and temptations of the world that beset you, you will be certainly allured by them and led astray." Ah! yes, we should indeed perish if left to our own strength. If we had alone to navigate our frail vessels over so rough a sea, we might well give up the voyage in despair; but, thanks be to God, He will perfect that which concerneth us, and bring us to the desired haven. We can never be too confident when we confide in Him alone, and never too much concerned to have such a trust.
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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"He led them forth by the right way."
Pilgrim
Fri May 22, 2026 9:35 AM
05/22/AM
"He led them forth by the right way."
—Psalms 107:6-7 (KJV) "6 Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, [and] he delivered them out of their distresses. 7 And he led them forth by the right way, that they might go to a city of habitation."
Changeful experience often leads the anxious believer to enquire "Why is it thus with me?" I looked for light, but lo, darkness came; for peace, but behold trouble. I said in my heart, my mountain standeth firm, I shall never be moved. Lord, thou dost hide Thy face, and I am troubled. It was but yesterday that I could read my title clear; to-day my evidences are bedimmed, and my hopes are clouded. Yesterday I could climb to Pisgah's top, and view the landscape o'er, and rejoice with confidence in my future inheritance; to-day, my spirit has no hopes, but many fears; no joys, but much distress. Is this part of God's plan with me? Can this be the way in which God would bring me to heaven? Yes, it is even so. The eclipse of your faith, the darkness of your mind, the fainting of your hope, all these things are but parts of God's method of making you ripe for the great inheritance upon which you shall soon enter. These trials are for the testing and strengthening of your faith--they are waves that wash you further upon the rock--they are winds which waft your ship the more swiftly towards the desired haven. According to David's words, so it might be said of you, "so He bringeth them to their desired haven." By honour and dishonour, by evil report and by good report, by plenty and by poverty, by joy and by distress, by persecution and by peace, by all these things is the life of your souls maintained, and by each of these are you helped on your way. Oh, think not, believer, that your sorrows are out of God's plan; they are necessary parts of it. "We must, through much tribulation, enter the kingdom." Learn, then, even to "count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations."
"O let my trembling soul be still, And wait Thy wise, Thy holy will! I cannot, Lord, Thy purpose see, Yet all is well since ruled by Thee."
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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Re: King of Kings
Tom
Thu May 21, 2026 8:31 PM
Anthony
That is a lot to think about, and at the moment I don’t have the time to do so.
However, I want to state a few things about 2KT.
I am not a fan of some modern forms of 2KT. You might call that R2KT (Radical Two Kingdom Theology). R2KT is partly responsible for how many Churches responded during Covid.
The government told the Church they must shut their doors, until further notice. Allowing video Church and small meetings, obeying government health rules. In Canada, several pastors spent time in jail, for not complying with government orders. They were vindicated in court, when their cases were finally held.
Despite that, many prominent pastors and theologians condemned them, for not “loving their neighbours.” In the USA, the government was not as bad. But, Grace Community Church (the Church John MacArthur pastored), was taken to court quite a few times by Governor Newsom. Grace Community Church won all their cases. As a result those who held to RTKT such as ‘The Gospel Coalition’, condemned John MacArthur. Saying he likely destroyed over 50 years of ministry by doing that. ————-
I do however hold to the 2KT, held by the Protestant Reformers. I believe Samuel Waldron articulated this view in one of his books; as well as his sermon series on Romans chapter 13.
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"If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious."
Pilgrim
Thu May 21, 2026 9:30 AM
05/21/AM
"If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious."
—1 Peter 2:2-3 (KJV) " 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious."
If:--then, this is not a matter to be taken for granted concerning every one of the human race. "If:"--then there is a possibility and a probability that some may not have tasted that the Lord is gracious. "If:"--then this is not a general but a special mercy; and it is needful to enquire whether we know the grace of God by inward experience. There is no spiritual favour which may not be a matter for heart-searching.
But while this should be a matter of earnest and prayerful inquiry, no one ought to be content whilst there is any such thing as an "if" about his having tasted that the Lord is gracious. A jealous and holy distrust of self may give rise to the question even in the believer's heart, but the continuance of such a doubt would be an evil indeed. We must not rest without a desperate struggle to clasp the Saviour in the arms of faith, and say, "I know whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him." Do not rest, O believer, till thou hast a full assurance of thine interest in Jesus. Let nothing satisfy thee till, by the infallible witness of the Holy Spirit bearing witness with thy spirit, thou art certified that thou art a child of God. Oh, trifle not here; let no "perhaps" and "peradventure" and "if" and "maybe" satisfy thy soul. Build on eternal verities, and verily build upon them. Get the sure mercies of David, and surely get them. Let thine anchor be cast into that which is within the veil, and see to it that thy soul be linked to the anchor by a cable that will not break. Advance beyond these dreary "ifs;" abide no more in the wilderness of doubts and fears; cross the Jordan of distrust, and enter the Canaan of peace, where the Canaanite still lingers, but where the land ceaseth not to flow with milk and honey.
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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"Marvellous lovingkindness."
Pilgrim
Wed May 20, 2026 1:09 PM
05/20/AM
"Marvellous lovingkindness."
—Psalm 17:7 "Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them."
When we give our hearts with our alms, we give well, but we must often plead to a failure in this respect. Not so our Master and our Lord. His favours are always performed with the love of His heart. He does not send to us the cold meat and the broken pieces from the table of His luxury, but He dips our morsel in His own dish, and seasons our provisions with the spices of His fragrant affections. When He puts the golden tokens of His grace into our palms, He accompanies the gift with such a warm pressure of our hand, that the manner of His giving is as precious as the boon itself. He will come into our houses upon His errands of kindness, and He will not act as some austere visitors do in the poor man's cottage, but He sits by our side, not despising our poverty, nor blaming our weakness. Beloved, with what smiles does He speak! What golden sentences drop from His gracious lips! What embraces of affection does He bestow upon us! If He had but given us farthings, the way of His giving would have gilded them; but as it is, the costly alms are set in a golden basket by His pleasant carriage. It is impossible to doubt the sincerity of His charity, for there is a bleeding heart stamped upon the face of all His benefactions. He giveth liberally and upbraideth not. Not one hint that we are burdensome to Him; not one cold look for His poor pensioners; but He rejoices in His mercy, and presses us to His bosom while He is pouring out His life for us. There is a fragrance in His spikenard which nothing but His heart could produce; there is a sweetness in His honey-comb which could not be in it unless the very essence of His soul's affection had been mingled with it. Oh! the rare communion which such singular heartiness effecteth! May we continually taste and know the blessedness of it!
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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"I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth."
Pilgrim
Tue May 19, 2026 10:31 AM
05/19/AM
—Ecclesiastes 10:7 (KJV) "7 I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth."
Upstarts frequently usurp the highest places, while the truly great pine in obscurity. This is a riddle in providence whose solution will one day gladden the hearts of the upright; but it is so common a fact, that none of us should murmur if it should fall to our own lot. When our Lord was upon earth, although He is the Prince of the kings of the earth, yet He walked the footpath of weariness and service as the Servant of servants: what wonder is it if His followers, who are princes of the blood, should also be looked down upon as inferior and contemptible persons? The world is upside down, and therefore, the first are last and the last first. See how the servile sons of Satan lord it in the earth! What a high horse they ride! How they lift up their horn on high! Haman is in the court, while Mordecai sits in the gate; David wanders on the mountains, while Saul reigns in state; Elijah is complaining in the cave while Jezebel is boasting in the palace; yet who would wish to take the places of the proud rebels? and who, on the other hand, might not envy the despised saints? When the wheel turns, those who are lowest rise, and the highest sink. Patience, then, believer, eternity will right the wrongs of time.
Let us not fall into the error of letting our passions and carnal appetites ride in triumph, while our nobler powers walk in the dust. Grace must reign as a prince, and make the members of the body instruments of righteousness. The Holy Spirit loves order, and He therefore sets our powers and faculties in due rank and place, giving the highest room to those spiritual faculties which link us with the great King; let us not disturb the divine arrangement, but ask for grace that we may keep under our body and bring it into subjection. We were not new created to allow our passions to rule over us, but that we, as kings, may reign in Christ Jesus over the triple kingdom of spirit, soul, and body, to the glory of God the Father.
- Charles H. Spurgeon
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Re: King of Kings
Anthony C.
Mon May 18, 2026 6:22 PM
Interesting book review… a few insights/sentiments worth sharing… what I summarize as (Christian) natural law - presuppositions for religious freedom. Obviously, we are entering a period that is more defined by the antithesis between those guided by the True Light and those stumbling in darkness, so the relevance of these words are probably a century behind…. “Deagon feels justified in speaking of a “Christian natural law,” which is rooted in Christian theological convictions and yet is also accessible to non-Christians since it is revealed in nature. Chapter 3 examines the work of several writers—both Christians and non-Christians—who present natural-law theories allegedly independent of whether God exists. Deagon argues that such attempts are ultimately impossible and that these writers have not avoided theology. Natural law theory, he claims, is intrinsically theological and thus never “theologically neutral” (62). In chapter 4, Deagon proposes that the foundational theological principles of love, the true, and the good form the content of Christian natural law…. Part 2 argues that Christian natural law is foundational for religious freedom, understood through these ideas of the good, truth, and love, respectively. In chapter 5, Deagon claims that religious freedom encourages people to pursue the good of religion, whose ultimate end is the beatific vision, that is, intimate eschatological communion with God. Religious freedom, Deagon says, also promotes the common good of our earthly societies by respecting and promoting inherent human dignity. Chapter 6 argues that religious freedom is good because its goal is pursuit of truth, and more specifically of true religion, which is knowledge of God and reconciliation with him. Finally, chapter 7 contends for religious freedom because love does not try to compel people to belief. “Coerced religion is not true or good religion”
Deagon is correct about a number of important big-picture issues, in my judgment. He is right to insist that natural-law theorists cannot avoid certain kinds of theological judgments, even if they avoid speaking about God. God is the creator and upholder of the natural order, after all, and the law it communicates is his. We can be grateful that the content of the natural law—such as the immorality of murder and theft—impresses itself upon non-Christians, and Christians do well to take advantage of that as they participate in moral conversations in public life. But no one can really understand any law without accounting for the authority behind it. One might consider how ridiculous it would be to develop a comprehensive account of American law while trying to remain neutral on whether the United States Congress and Supreme Court actually exist.
Deagon is also correct to note the many important continuities in the natural-law theologies of different Christian traditions. With respect to the medieval theological inheritance, the way early Protestant writers viewed natural law was more similar to how they viewed the doctrine of Christ’s two natures in one person than to how they viewed the doctrine of justification. That is, they thought natural law was a Christian idea they could largely embrace from the earlier tradition without need for major reform. Whether Deagon has too quickly elided Roman Catholic and Reformed versions of natural law, however, is a valid question.
Perhaps most important is that Deagon is correct to defend religious liberty and deserves commendation for taking up the cause.
Nevertheless, several drawbacks impede the book’s overall effectiveness…” https://opc.org/os.html?article_id=1247
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"In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him."
Pilgrim
Mon May 18, 2026 10:49 AM
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"In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him."
—Colossians 2:9-12 (KJV) 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
All the attributes of Christ, as God and man, are at our disposal. All the fulness of the Godhead, whatever that marvellous term may comprehend, is ours to make us complete. He cannot endow us with the attributes of Deity; but He has done all that can be done, for He has made even His divine power and Godhead subservient to our salvation. His omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, immutability and infallibility, are all combined for our defence. Arise, believer, and behold the Lord Jesus yoking the whole of His divine Godhead to the chariot of salvation! How vast His grace, how firm His faithfulness, how unswerving His immutability, how infinite His power, how limitless His knowledge! All these are by the Lord Jesus made the pillars of the temple of salvation; and all, without diminution of their infinity, are covenanted to us as our perpetual inheritance. The fathomless love of the Saviour's heart is every drop of it ours; every sinew in the arm of might, every jewel in the crown of majesty, the immensity of divine knowledge, and the sternness of divine justice, all are ours, and shall be employed for us. The whole of Christ, in His adorable character as the Son of God, is by Himself made over to us most richly to enjoy. His wisdom is our direction, His knowledge our instruction, His power our protection, His justice our surety, His love our comfort, His mercy our solace, and His immutability our trust. He makes no reserve, but opens the recesses of the Mount of God and bids us dig in its mines for the hidden treasures. "All, all, all are yours," saith He, "be ye satisfied with favour and full of the goodness of the Lord." Oh! how sweet thus to behold Jesus, and to call upon Him with the certain confidence that in seeking the interposition of His love or power, we are but asking for that which He has already faithfully promised.
-Charles H. Spurgeon
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Re: King of Kings
Anthony C.
Sun May 17, 2026 5:30 PM
I don’t ascribe to modern 2 kingdom theology because in the modern day society does not recognize or revere God as Creator and the natural consequences of creation (Christian natural law). (A small government does not promote a neo-pagan one by default - that’s why we are getting into trouble. There is a state religion taking root/being actively legislated/legitimized and it’s anti-Christian). I do agree with these points however. Not the whole article linked, although the whole article is intriguing, but mostly the portions I quoted here… First, the authority problem. The fact that the Moral Law is universal does not mean every office has a universal commission to enforce it. Authority is always delegated authority, and delegated authority always comes with a specific scope. A father has genuine authority, but only over his own household… not his neighbor’s. A church session has genuine authority, but only over its own congregation. A magistrate has genuine authority, but the sword was given for civil justice between men, not for adjudicating the condition of a man’s heart before God. Nowhere in Scripture or in the Westminster Standards is the argument made that the magistrate holds a complete and unlimited commission to enforce everything the Moral Law demands of everyone. Baird’s syllogism assumes what it needs to prove.
Second, the pagan model itself is disqualifying. The Greeks and Romans didn’t enforce religious adherence because they cared about the heart. They enforced it to keep the gods from getting angry and destroying the crops. It was a purely transactional arrangement… public compliance in exchange for divine favor. There was no separation between first table issues and Caesar because there was no concept of the soul’s genuine relationship with God being distinct from civic duty. That is not natural law working correctly. That is paganism doing exactly what paganism does.
The Puritans understood this, and it’s part of why the 1788 revisers did what they did. True religion requires genuine faith. Genuine faith cannot be manufactured by the sword. If a magistrate coerces First Table adherence, he isn’t producing Christians… he’s producing hypocrites. He is actually violating the Moral Law by compelling men to perform false worship. The Reformed tradition has always insisted that this jurisdiction belongs to the church, not the state. The church holds the keys. The state holds the sword. Those are different instruments for different ends.
So when Baird points to the ancient world as evidence that magisterial promotion of religion is baked into natural law, he’s appealing to a model where to be one of Caesar’s subjects was to be under Caesar’s religious authority. The 1788 revision was written specifically to reject that fusion. Hart is right that the 1788 revision deliberately narrowed the magistrate’s authority. The changes to WCF 23:3 removed the explicit duty to suppress “blasphemies and heresies,” and the deletion from WLC 109 of “tolerating a false religion” as a forbidden sin was not an accident. These were conscious editorial decisions by men who had watched state-church entanglement produce oppression and wanted to correct it.
But Hart defended that position poorly, and it cost him.
Rather than simply walking through what the American revisers actually changed and why, Hart kept retreating to historical pluralism and prudential arguments… “look how well religious liberty worked for Jewish Americans,” “it’s just not realistic,” and so on. Those aren’t bad observations, but they’re not confessional arguments. And when he took an exception to WLC 108 rather than arguing that the duty to “remove monuments of idolatry” belongs to individuals and the church acting through spiritual means rather than to the civil sword, he practically handed Baird the moral high ground. He made it look like he’s the one departing from the Standards, when the better argument is that the Standards themselves, properly read together, already limit the magistrate’s scope.
Then there’s the moment around the 58-minute mark that really stood out to me. George asks Hart why America is losing the social fabric the founders built. Hart’s answer is basically “world wars, the Cold War, the New Deal, government got too big.” And then he explicitly says he doesn’t blame it on religion or a lack of religion.
That’s a missed opportunity, and I think there’s a more precise answer hiding right inside Hart’s own framework.
The reason the system isn’t working isn’t simply that government got big. It’s that government got big in a specific direction… it started subsidizing lifestyles and behaviors that natural law and God’s created order would otherwise have filtered out on their own. America was built on something close to meritocracy, and meritocracy works because God designed the created order to generally favor virtue. Unvirtuous behavior carries real consequences. Drug addiction, sexual chaos, fatherlessness, and financial irresponsibility are genuinely costly ways to live. Societies that normalize them tend to shrink… and we mean that literally. Birth rates collapse. The people most committed to the unvirtuous lifestyle are also the least likely to replace themselves. People watching the wreckage tend to course-correct.
That self-correcting mechanism only works if the consequences are real.
When you take the wealth generated by virtuous, productive people and use it to insulate unvirtuous lifestyles from their natural consequences, you break the feedback loop. Trans ideology would not survive without massive institutional subsidy from a society built by heterosexual families and procreation. No-fault divorce and single motherhood at scale would not be sustainable without the wealth transfer mechanisms of the welfare state propping them up. The drug addict survives because a virtuous society keeps him alive long enough to recruit others.
The founders didn’t build a system that required the magistrate to act as an arbiter of First Table laws. They built a system where natural law, properly allowed to function, did a lot of that work organically. What we have now isn’t the failure of that system. It’s the deliberate suppression of it. The magistrate’s job isn’t to coerce piety from the top down… it’s to stop using the Second Table as a funding mechanism for the enemies of the First….
Keys and Swords
The place to settle this debate isn’t in the practice of the early American Republic. Baird is right that Sabbath laws persisted well after 1788, and he’ll use that practice to argue that the revisers never intended what Hart and others claim they intended. That’s a fair point as far as it goes.
But practice doesn’t rewrite text. And the text is clear.
The American revisers didn’t just quietly let the old language sit. They went into WCF 23:3 and cut the explicit duty to suppress “blasphemies and heresies.” They went into WLC 109 and cut “tolerating a false religion” from the list of sins forbidden by the Second Commandment. Those are not accidents or oversights. Those are editorial decisions made by men who knew exactly what they were removing and why. If they intended to preserve the magistrate’s coercive authority over First Table issues, the single easiest thing in the world was to leave that language alone. They didn’t.
Baird’s move is to say WLC 108 preserves the duty because it was left untouched… that “removing monuments of idolatry according to each one’s place and calling” still applies to the magistrate. But that argument only works if “place and calling” for the magistrate still includes First Table coercion. The revisers defined that calling in WCF 23, and what they wrote there doesn’t include it. You can’t use 108 to smuggle back in what 23 and 109 explicitly took out.
The magistrate’s job is to execute justice between men, protect the innocent, punish the wicked, and keep the civil peace so the gospel can go out freely. That is a genuinely noble calling. But the First Table of the law was never his to enforce.. The church has keys. The state has a sword. Those are different tools for different jurisdictions, and the revisers knew the difference.
That’s not R2K liberalism. It isn’t Marcionism. It’s just reading what was actually deleted… and asking why. https://reasontogether.org/
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"So to walk even as He walked."
Pilgrim
Sun May 17, 2026 10:42 AM
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"So to walk even as He walked."
—1 John 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
Why should Christians imitate Christ? They should do it for their own sakes. If they desire to be in a healthy state of soul--if they would escape the sickness of sin, and enjoy the vigour of growing grace, let Jesus be their model. For their own happiness' sake, if they would drink wine on the lees, well refined; if they would enjoy holy and happy communion with Jesus; if they would be lifted up above the cares and troubles of this world, let them walk even as He walked. There is nothing which can so assist you to walk towards heaven with good speed, as wearing the image of Jesus on your heart to rule all its motions. It is when, by the power of the Holy Spirit, you are enabled to walk with Jesus in His very footsteps, that you are most happy, and most known to be the sons of God. Peter afar off is both unsafe and uneasy. Next, for religion's sake, strive to be like Jesus. Ah! poor religion, thou hast been sorely shot at by cruel foes, but thou hast not been wounded one-half so dangerously by thy foes as by thy friends. Who made those wounds in the fair hand of Godliness? The professor who used the dagger of hypocrisy. The man who with pretences, enters the fold, being nought but a wolf in sheep's clothing, worries the flock more than the lion outside. There is no weapon half so deadly as a Judas-kiss. Inconsistent professors injure the gospel more than the sneering critic or the infidel. But, especially for Christ's own sake, imitate His example. Christian, lovest thou thy Saviour? Is His name precious to thee? Is His cause dear to thee? Wouldst thou see the kingdoms of the world become His? Is it thy desire that He should be glorified? Art thou longing that souls should be won to Him? If so, imitate Jesus; be an "epistle of Christ, known and read of all men."
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"Who giveth us richly all things to enjoy."
Pilgrim
Sat May 16, 2026 9:18 AM
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"Who giveth us richly all things to enjoy."
—1 Timothy 6:17-19 (KJV) "17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life."
Our Lord Jesus is ever giving, and does not for a solitary instant withdraw His hand. As long as there is a vessel of grace not yet full to the brim, the oil shall not be stayed. He is a sun ever-shining; He is manna always falling round the camp; He is a rock in the desert, ever sending out streams of life from His smitten side; the rain of His grace is always dropping; the river of His bounty is ever-flowing, and the well-spring of His love is constantly overflowing. As the King can never die, so His grace can never fail. Daily we pluck His fruit, and daily His branches bend down to our hand with a fresh store of mercy. There are seven feast-days in His weeks, and as many as are the days, so many are the banquets in His years. Who has ever returned from His door unblessed? Who has ever risen from His table unsatisfied, or from His bosom un-emparadised? His mercies are new every morning and fresh every evening. Who can know the number of His benefits, or recount the list of His bounties? Every sand which drops from the glass of time is but the tardy follower of a myriad of mercies. The wings of our hours are covered with the silver of His kindness, and with the yellow gold of His affection. The river of time bears from the mountains of eternity the golden sands of His favour. The countless stars are but as the standard bearers of a more innumerable host of blessings. Who can count the dust of the benefits which He bestows on Jacob, or tell the number of the fourth part of His mercies towards Israel? How shall my soul extol Him who daily loadeth us with benefits, and who crowneth us with loving-kindness? O that my praise could be as ceaseless as His bounty! O miserable tongue, how canst thou be silent? Wake up, I pray thee, lest I call thee no more my glory, but my shame. "Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake right early."
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"All that believe are justified."
Pilgrim
Fri May 15, 2026 7:57 PM
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"All that believe are justified."
—Acts 13:39 "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
The believer in Christ receives a present justification. Faith does not produce this fruit by-and-by, but now. So far as justification is the result of faith, it is given to the soul in the moment when it closes with Christ, and accepts Him as its all in all. Are they who stand before the throne of God justified now?--so are we, as truly and as clearly justified as they who walk in white and sing melodious praises to celestial harps. The thief upon the cross was justified the moment that he turned the eye of faith to Jesus; and Paul, the aged, after years of service, was not more justified than was the thief with no service at all. We are to-day accepted in the Beloved, to-day absolved from sin, to-day acquitted at the bar of God. Oh! soul-transporting thought! There are some clusters of Eshcol's vine which we shall not be able to gather till we enter heaven; but this is a bough which runneth over the wall. This is not as the corn of the land, which we can never eat till we cross the Jordan; but this is part of the manna in the wilderness, a portion of our daily nutriment with which God supplies us in our journeying to and fro. We are now--even now pardoned; even now are our sins put away; even now we stand in the sight of God accepted, as though we had never been guilty. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus." There is not a sin in the Book of God, even now, against one of His people. Who dareth to lay anything to their charge? There is neither speck, nor spot, nor wrinkle, nor any such thing remaining upon any one believer in the matter of justification in the sight of the Judge of all the earth. Let present privilege awaken us to present duty, and now, while life lasts, let us spend and be spent for our sweet Lord Jesus.
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"Joint heirs with Christ."
Pilgrim
Thu May 14, 2026 9:40 AM
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"Joint heirs with Christ."
—Romans 8:14-17 (KJV) "14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together."
The boundless realms of His Father's universe are Christ's by prescriptive right. As "heir of all things," He is the sole proprietor of the vast creation of God, and He has admitted us to claim the whole as ours, by virtue of that deed of joint-heir-ship which the Lord hath ratified with His chosen people. The golden streets of paradise, the pearly gates, the river of life, the transcendent bliss, and the unutterable glory, are, by our blessed Lord, made over to us for our everlasting possession. All that He has He shares with His people. The crown royal He has placed upon the head of His Church, appointing her a kingdom, and calling her sons a royal priesthood, a generation of priests and kings. He uncrowned Himself that we might have a coronation of glory; He would not sit upon His own throne until He had procured a place upon it for all who overcome by His blood. Crown the head and the whole body shares the honour. Behold here the reward of every Christian conqueror! Christ's throne, crown, sceptre, palace, treasure, robes, heritage, are yours. Far superior to the jealousy, selfishness, and greed, which admit of no participation of their advantages, Christ deems His happiness completed by His people sharing it. "The glory which thou gavest me have I given them." "These things have I spoken unto you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full." The smiles of His Father are all the sweeter to Him, because His people share them. The honours of His kingdom are more pleasing, because His people appear with Him in glory. More valuable to Him are His conquests, since they have taught His people to overcome. He delights in His throne, because on it there is a place for them. He rejoices in His royal robes, since over them His skirts are spread. He delights the more in His joy, because He calls them to enter into it.
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Re: Table Talk
Tom
Wed May 13, 2026 7:24 PM
Sorry, the information needed is in the daily devotionals. I thought that link would have more than just articles.
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The Aged Believer's Cordial
chestnutmare
Wed May 13, 2026 11:41 AM
"Hearken unto Me! I have cared for you since you were born. Yes, I carried you before you were born. I will be your God throughout your lifetime—until your hair is white with age. I made you, and I will care for you. I will carry you along and save you!" Isaiah 46:3-4
This passage of Scripture is the aged believer's cordial. Let us look at the beautiful images employed.
God is our heavenly parent—a kind and tender-hearted parent. He is peculiarly attached to His people—they are dear to Him, precious in His sight. They are His portion. He prizes them above all creation. He is strong to sustain, to defend, and support them. His strong arm, tender heart, and watchful eye—are all employed for them—and especially so in old age.
The aged believer is as a child. He is weak. He feels exposed and defenseless. He is timid and fearful. But the Lord, as a tender parent, engages to take him up in the arms of His power—and carry him in the bosom of His love! Like a tender lamb in the shepherd's bosom, on a cold and frosty night, borne across a bleak and snow-covered wasteland —so the believer, in the winter of old age, shall be carried in the bosom of his God, across the bleak and cheerless desert of time.
God will carry him tenderly—hushing the weak one's fears. He will bear him carefully—so that nothing shall harm or hurt him. He will soothe him with gentle words, and encourage him with kind acts—until He safely introduces him at Home!
Dear aged Christian, you have nothing to fear! Your God says, "I will be your God throughout your lifetime—until your hair is white with age! I am your Father—your Friend—your solace—and your confidence! Look unto Me—even to old age, I will carry you. I will bear you up under all that you feel and fear. I will carry you through all that discourages or distresses you. I will deliver you from foes, fears, dangers, and death itself! Nothing shall by any means hurt you! My arm is strong enough—trust in it. My bosom is your resting-place—lean on it, lean hard! Do not be afraid . . . eternal love dwells there, divine pity rules there, your name is engraved there! Trust Me, I will never leave you nor forsake you! "Hearken unto Me!" Believer, your God bids you to "hearken." His words are true and faithful. He speaks to banish your fears. He speaks to strengthen your faith. He speaks to comfort your poor drooping heart. He speaks to clothe your care-worn brow, with the light of hope, with the cheerfulness which confidence imparts.
Hearken to Him—not to unbelief! Hearken to Him—not to carnal reason! Hearken to Him—not to Satan! Hearken to Him—not to erroneous men!
Hearken, it is your Savior who speaks; it is the Guide of your youth who addresses you; it is your tender Parent who seeks to cheer your heart. He is near you—near you every moment; He will carry you—carry you every step; He will deliver you—deliver you from every danger, trouble, and foe!
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"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."
Pilgrim
Wed May 13, 2026 11:12 AM
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"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."
Psalm 30:5 "For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."
Christian! If thou art in a night of trial, think of the morrow; cheer up thy heart with the thought of the coming of thy Lord. Be patient, for
"Lo! He comes with clouds descending."
Be patient! The Husbandman waits until He reaps His harvest. Be patient; for you know who has said, "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give to every man according as his work shall be." If you are never so wretched now, remember
"A few more rolling suns, at most, Will land thee on fair Canaan's coast."
Thy head may be crowned with thorny troubles now, but it shall wear a starry crown ere long; thy hand may be filled with cares--it shall sweep the strings of the harp of heaven soon. Thy garments may be soiled with dust now; they shall be white by-and-by. Wait a little longer. Ah! how despicable our troubles and trials will seem when we look back upon them! Looking at them here in the prospect, they seem immense; but when we get to heaven we shall then
"With transporting joys recount, The labours of our feet."
Our trials will then seem light and momentary afflictions. Let us go on boldly; if the night be never so dark, the morning cometh, which is more than they can say who are shut up in the darkness of hell. Do you know what it is thus to live on the future--to live on expectation--to antedate heaven? Happy believer, to have so sure, so comforting a hope. It may be all dark now, but it will soon be light; it may be all trial now, but it will soon be all happiness. What matters it though "weeping may endure for a night," when "joy cometh in the morning?"
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"And will manifest myself to him."
Pilgrim
Tue May 12, 2026 10:05 AM
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"And will manifest myself to him."
—John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
The Lord Jesus gives special revelations of Himself to His people. Even if Scripture did not declare this, there are many of the children of God who could testify the truth of it from their own experience. They have had manifestations of their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in a peculiar manner, such as no mere reading or hearing could afford. In the biographies of eminent saints, you will find many instances recorded in which Jesus has been pleased, in a very special manner to speak to their souls, and to unfold the wonders of His person; yea, so have their souls been steeped in happiness that they have thought themselves to be in heaven, whereas they were not there, though they were well nigh on the threshold of it--for when Jesus manifests Himself to His people, it is heaven on earth; it is paradise in embryo; it is bliss begun. Especial manifestations of Christ exercise a holy influence on the believer's heart. One effect will be humility. If a man says, "I have had such-and-such spiritual communications, I am a great man," he has never had any communion with Jesus at all; for "God hath respect unto the lowly: but the proud He knoweth afar off." He does not need to come near them to know them, and will never give them any visits of love. Another effect will be happiness; for in God's presence there are pleasures for evermore. Holiness will be sure to follow. A man who has no holiness has never had this manifestation. Some men profess a great deal; but we must not believe any one unless we see that his deeds answer to what he says. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked." He will not bestow His favours upon the wicked: for while He will not cast away a perfect man, neither will He respect an evil doer. Thus there will be three effects of nearness to Jesus--humility, happiness, and holiness. May God give them to thee, Christian!
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