True, you said better what I was trying to say. We know that God is in control of all things, as I stated later in my post. And, He does get the glory from all things. When someone has to say that in essence not doing something is equl to doing the opposite, that is a jump from what is given, and is a logical fallacy. Did God point at individuals one by one and say "heaven ...heaven ...hell ... hell... hell... heaven ... hell ...hell" is something that God only knows, and should be chalked up to one of His mysteries. This is not an important debate in the vast scheme of things, and unfruitful when we make assumptions. In God's decree we are to view what happens as God's plan, this is true, but in the same sense, I disagree with the idea of God ever seeing man as neutral. I don't know if I am in any way clear on what I am saying, but I am thankful for the adminstration here to help my thoughts be clarified with God's glory, and the Cross of Christ always in view. <br>troy

Grace is but glory begun;
Glory is but grace perfected!
- Jonathan Edwards