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Babies are not sinners. Sin is an act of VOLITION. To state that God would send "non elect babies" to hell makes Him a monster and injust. Babies cannot sin because babies have no volition. Babies have no volition, eh? Hm. That's an interesting one. So, pray tell, at what point do we humans obtain a will? Because it seems pretty clear to me that babies are quite capable of acting willfully. Now, granted, they don't fully comprehend the actions they take, and they may be too weak to follow through, but they do act willfully. And since every one of them is born post-Fall, every one of them is born with an evil will. Augustine in his Confessions actually has quite an interesting description of the sinfulness even of babies, who are singularly selfish and jealous creatures. No. Only those who CHOOSE TO SIN deserve to be in hell. Choosing sin (i.e. "covenant breaking") separates us from the love of God and casts us out of His presence eternally. Who does not choose to sin? Scripture says that God is not willing that ANY should perish. It also says that Jesus the Christ died FOR THE WORLD. Care to show the biblical verses in context, with a thorough and careful exegesis? Your terminology is imprecise. No man can choose salvation. That is all of grace. But eternal life, which is the inheritance of salvation, is entirely left to us and to whether or not we will A) enter into the covenant of God B) keep that covenant relationship faithfully. So, I can be saved and still perish in hell. O what a salvation thy god hath provided! A salvation worth nothing.
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
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