fredman said:
I am not as inclined to believe these Noahide folks pose a real threat to genuine Christianity. I would say Rick Warren is a bigger threat to biblical Christianity than some obscure Jewish sect. Most certainly the head hunters from the religion of Islam.
Fred
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Fred,
(Rick Warren -- On and Off Topic)
Yesterday I looked up the term “Hegelian Dialectic” a tactic that undermines Truth by omitting (synthesizing) differences by seeking common ground. While on an this page, Lakewood Church was cited as an example… which I went to and found an interesting article about Rick Warren… and his influential popular style. I agree that Rick Warren, and others like him are most definitely a huge threat to biblical Christianity. AND I will tell you how they are part of the topic that I am discussing.
I do not think it is accurate to call this that I’m describing “the Noahide Movement.” The 7 Noahide Laws themselves… are yet unknown ‘values/laws’ for all Gentiles, per the Talmud. The 7th law requires the establishment of courts to enforce the first 6 laws. They are two things… a set of 6 values/laws and an ACTION statement (or promise of.) Currently, they sit as unknown dormant values Congress recognized officially (as Ours)… yet Americans, by and large are unaware of… So, NO… I don’t think that these unknown laws are doing much (any) proselytizing, nor seducing at the moment. They are just sitting there. ***The issue is -- they don’t include Christianity in the ‘World to Come’ … when they are actually enforced.
“…The drilling in the wall kept up, but no one seemed to pay it any mind” (Bob Dylan – Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts.) This brings me back to Rick Warren and the many things that happened culturally, ideologically, politically and spiritually to get us to where we are today. And I would label it “the CONDITION.” In Hegelian-speak, it is called ‘Synthesis.’ People water down their ‘Truth’ for the good of the group for a unity that everyone can tolerate. Scripture-lite, Politically correct, etc.
Among the many things that transpired to get to this condition was the desire to never offend, and build bridges. Well synthesized Christians do not bat an eye to hear their heritage described as “Judeo-Christian.” It is a friendly and embracing term that shows respect for A. Two different religions, and B. Our shared heritage. IT DOES NEITHER. Because A. Judaism and Christianity, spiritually are in opposition to each other. B. Christians wrongly think that the Old Testament ‘Torah’ is the book of Judaism… though in Judaism the Talmud is the most important book, but it is included in the name ‘Torah’. The Talmud is anti-Christian. And The New Testament is anti-Judaism. They have different goals and they are not reconcilable.
A Christian’s focus is on the life to come, meaning resurrected in Heaven. In Judaism, the World to Come, means something entirely different. When the Jewish Moschiah is ‘revealed’ and whether or not Gentiles follow the 7 Noahide Laws and thus have a place in ‘the World to Come’ – it is meant on earth. When the ‘Moschiach’ is revealed, Noahide Laws will be enforced. TALMUDIC PUNISHMENT FOR TRANSGRESSION OF THESE LAWS IS DEATH BY DECAPITATION.
The efforts and planning to ‘reveal the Moshiach’ can be found as news items, coming out of Jerusalem. The historic reestablishment of the Sanhedrin last October is vocal on their pushing for this revealing. …In the event I am confusing you… I am not a Dispensationalist. I don’t believe in a separate plan by God for the Jewish State. These world events of man are not mystical events that of which no one know the hour. These are world events with far reaching consequence. Jerusalem is ready to establish her Theocracy with her Moschiach appointed by men… and as far as the Gentile nations… The Islamic threat to Israel’s goals will have been subdued. And things… ‘SET.’ In our current Synthesized Condition, we are a Christian, or a Judeo-Christian nation “standing firm with Israel”… because to the American Christian… “it is a Godly thing to do.”
The Synthesis CONDITION we are in has everything to do with everything… what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, what is tolerated, what is omitted, which wars are just, whose side to pick… and what we will be willing to swallow and accept. I will end this thread by saying that the Rick Warren approach to salvation might fit in well as it evolves to adjust in the “World to Come” as God’s word keeps evolving to fit comfortably in the minds of watered down Christian America who forgot who she was.
