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J_Edwards said:
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William said:
In my opinion if a reformed couple, knowing the true meaning of Romans 9:6-13 train their child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord and view them as elect, this is not presumption but faith in the covenant.

[color:"0000FF"]6 ΒΆ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that callethwink
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.[/color]

William
Strange indeed, since you don't know if your child is Esau (Heb. 12:16), a child of flesh, not of Israel, whom God hates or Jacob, the called of God, and of Israel? Whom did Isaac love? Since the covenant gives two options -- elect and non-elect -- how can you with these verses ONLY pick "elect"? How do YOU know the purpose of God in election? The text says "neither ... are they all children" of God! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />


By faith in the covenant of particular election knowing that whatsoever God does is right, not presuming their salvation but raising them as if they were the Lords. The other option is to raise them believing that they are heathen.