The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Saved and NOT know it ???

Philosophical but hardly biblical. There is only ONE road that leads to eternal life. If you veer off that road then you obviously aren't going to reach the necessary destination; Christ. That road is "by grace through faith in Christ alone", aka: Sola Fide. God has decreed not only the end but also the means to that end.

John 10:1-5 (ASV) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."

Again, interesting philosophical musings but it is hardly in accord with the teaching of Scripture. Although God's election is from eternity, it comes to fruition in time/history. There is no "eternal justification" nor an "eternal atonement". What Christ accomplished must also be applied in time through the means determined by God. Those means are made effectual by the work of the Holy Spirit upon and within individuals at the appointed time. And one last point, "Yeshua ha Massiach" is not eternal. The Son of God, the second person of the Trinity is eternal. But the incarnate Son of God, aka: Jesus of Nazareth came into being at a point in history when he was brought forth from the womb of Mary. (cf. Jh 1:1, 10) The Word (Son) became flesh (Jesus)!

In His grace,