Hi Tom,

I had a brief conversation with the webmaster of BSM and he mentioned 1 John 2:2 - After reading several commentaries, and in particular John Gill, I can see where it is easy to go astray with the understanding of this passage. (especially when one is wanting to motivate for 'unlimited atonement', and to a lesser degree 'prevenient grace')

I have read the John Owen argument from reason and I am not saying I am not convinced but it does not much to remove the obstacles placed in the way by certain awkward passages like the one I just mentioned. I know I am probably going to wrapped on the knuckles for this one and told to read the Canons of Dordt. (I am working through them..slowly)

This is what I discovered on a pretty good presentation of 'Unlimited Atonement' at Wikipedia. (It never fails to amaze me the detail that this online encyclopaedia is achieving. Even full discographies for lesser know musicians...no I am not there yet. :-) )

These are the verses I discovered:

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Scriptures used to support
These are Scriptures commonly used by those who support Unlimited atonement:

John 3:14-18 - "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
2 Cor 5:14-15 - "For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again."
1 Timothy 2:3-6 - For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
1 Timothy 4:10 - "For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe."
Titus 2:11 (ESV) - "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people."
2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
1 John 2:2 - "And He [Christ] Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."

They also present the passages that I have read mentioned in favour of Limited Atonement. (I am also working through the list of articles and have been graciously granted another list by John Hendryx of Monergism, so I have some reading to do.) Kewl.

I look forward to your response to the passages alluding to the Unlimited position.

Orphaned,

Last edited by straw; Fri May 25, 2007 1:52 AM.