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lookn4ward2heavn said:
1. Calvinism is not the "whole counsel of God". Calvinism the interpretation of a few men of what is believed to be the teachings of the Bible. Unfortunately, not all of what is taught is Biblical (at least, as I read the Bible).

2. Why are you concerned for those who do not accept Calvinistic teachings? Are you suggesting that those who reject Calvinism are not genuine Christians and need to be repent and be saved? Are you suggesting that those who confess Jesus as Lord but adhere to, for example, Arminian (which is not Pelagian) teachings to one degree or another are not saved?

I totally disagree - a true mark of conversion is that you accept all the Bible has to offer. If you decide Romans 9 conveys difficult truths that should be ignored or overlooked or that you simply disagree with the truths that lie in that chapter YOU ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR - YOU ARE SAYING GOD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THINGS EXCEPT THE TRUE CONVERSIONS OF SINNERS - and thus you are not a true child of GOd. The offense is that serious and is heresy (to be blatantly honest with you!).

All the verses (that refer to God's decree, foreordiantion, predestination, election, etc. before the foundation of the world as well as man's total depravity resulting in his inability or desire to come to Jesus unless drawn by God) you are simply disregarding. A true child of God could never do that!

Augustine believes all this - Paul preached the whole counsel of God. Paul never said GOd loves everybody. He said you must repent, turn from your evil ways and turn to GOd for mercy and forgiveness - WHY IS IT THAT SOME RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE WHILE OTHERS DO NOT???? I'LL TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE OF OUR TOTAL DEVRAVITY/OUR EVIL HEARTS. UNLESS WE ARE CONVICTED OF HOW DEAD IN SINS AND INQUITITIES WE REALLY ARE WE WILL NEVER TRUELY TURN TO HIM, NEED HIM, PUT HIM ABOVE ALL, SACRIFICE ALL FOR HIM, ETC. ETC. SURE WE MAY ACCEPT HIM ON OUR TURNS, WE MAY MAKE A NICE CONFESSION, WE MAY PARTICIAPTE IN CHURCH GATHERINGS OR BIBLE STUDIES BUT UNLESS WE KNOW OURSELVES TO BE HELLWORTHY AND HELLBOUND AND HOPELESSLY AND HELPLESSLY OVERCOME BY SIN WE WILL HAVE NEVER TRUELY REPENTED AND SOUGHT MERCY AND FORGIVENSS, WALKED IN NEWNESS OF LIFE AND BECAME A HUMBLE SERVANT OF THE LORD.

WE NEED GOD'S SAVING GRACE!!!

Last edited by AC.; Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:36 AM.
The mercy of God is necessary not only when a person repents, but even to lead him to repent, Augustine