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Jim_M said:
And probably the only true way to love God is by loving others.

Not quite. "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me" (Matt. 10:37). If the only true way of loving God is to love others, then this statement of Christ is utterly impossible.

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Forgive me for not understanding you on predestination and original sin but i really do want to, not that i will agree with you but i would like to at least understand where you are coming from. Could you go to the story of Adam and Eve and explain to me how you understand it in terms that a child could comprehend? I have read R C Sprouls book, Chosen by God, at least three times and I just can not grasp it. THANKS

I can hardly do better than Paul's response with the Catechism for Children.

Kyle

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.