Clint,

Let me ask you this: IF God has not foreordained ALL THINGS, then that leaves no other conclusion than things, events, etc., happen according to "chance" or "fate" and what is such an individual who holds to such a view called? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" /> (HINT: Atheist)

On a similar and just as fundamental issue, how does God know what He knows (ALL things, aka: Omniscient)? IF God knows after the fact, then He is not Omniscient and thus He is not God; at least by the biblical definition of deity. For, there are things which happen unknown to Him beforehand, which means God was lacking ALL knowledge. Additionally, these events would have to be outside of His determination and control, which means God would not be Omnipotent; again disqualifying Him as deity; the biblical God.

Have you read through all/some of the articles here: Predestination? Boettner, for one, answers many Objections to the doctrine of predestination most effectively. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In His grace,

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