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BradJHammond said:KING: Phil goes to heaven and John doesn't, under those rules? Bad rule then.
WARREN: The rule is grace. You have to do the almost impossible to go to hell. You have to reject the love of Jesus Christ.
And why would anybody reject that? Again, this ain't exactly how John Frame would have responded, but it's not fundamentally wrong either (compare it to Joel Osteen's evasions of the same question). My concern is not so much that Warren is a "false teacher," but that there are so many better ones that a church or Christian could use. I am going to have to disagree with your assessment of Rick Warren on the basis of this little section of the quote you provided. From my perspective, Warren is blatantly a false teacher: 1. One doesn't have to do ANYTHING to go to hell! All are under the judgment of God by nature from the moment they are conceived. 2. One doesn't have to "reject Jesus" due to the fact that all hate God by nature. 3. Why would anyone in their natural state "accept Jesus"? More, how can anyone in their natural state "accept Jesus"? 4. What does "accept Jesus" mean? More than likely, Warren would say it is to "ask Jesus into your heart" or some other similar dribble which is far removed from the biblical teaching that involves one turning from sin due to conviction of the Holy Spirit and putting one's total trust in the Lord Christ. It is to have an unfeigned love of Christ, as a person (God-man) and trusting in His atoning work for reconciliation with God Who is at enmity with sinners. . . and much more. Biblical conversion is not even close to today's "Easy Believism" regardless of what wrapping it is disguised in, e.g., Billy Graham, Bill Bright, Rick Warren, Robert Schuller, etc., etc., ad nauseam.  And just a parting thought: IF there is truth to be found in all religions, which is true to a certain extent, why would anyone bother with looking for such truth in that which is false when the source of all truth is to be found in Scripture? Why not concentrate on God's infallible, inerrant Word rather than wasting time flirting with false religions? The fact is, today the vast majority of so-called professing Christians are miserably biblically illiterate. Being able to discern truth from falsehood depends largely upon knowing the truth beforehand.  John 8:31-32 (ASV) "Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, [then] are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
John 17:17 (ASV) "Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth."
2 Timothy 2:15 (ASV) "Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth."
In His grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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