Pilgrim said:Once again I am rather surprised to read about such things. Why? Because I am quite well read and never have I ever read an author which held to a view as you have stated above. Where DO you get such things? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" /> From the Word of God of course!
The angels have no need of Christ since they are only spiritual beings. Christ came in the likeness of man to redeem MAN and not angels.
I didn't say He came to REDEEM them
There was no "trial period" nor is their redemption afforded the angelic host.
I didn't say the angels had a "trial period" I said they were not CONFIRMED in holiness. I don't believe in the trial period theory.
There was no "covenant of works" in regard to the angels; only mankind of which Adam was the Federal Head. This too we know is true since Christ came as the "second Adam" and is the Federal Head of the elect believers, cf. Rom 5:12-21.
I'm not a federalist, if you read my "More Concerning Body and Soul post", you will see that I see creation differently. Adam was head of creation, but it isn't just a standing as the federalist view, but as the propagator of the race also. This leads into some deeper thinking about the headship of Christ too.
1. Angels were under a covenant of works.
2. Angels were freed from a covenant of works due to the atonement of Christ.
3. There are angels which like believers are "in Christ".
My use of English was misleading, because of the use of covenant, when I mentioned same as angels, I meant that they were not secured in Christ yet, they could have still rebelled against God. I'm not always clear on statements and need to be more careful, I apologize.
The Angels were responsible for their actions personally, where our fallen condition was brought about by one man Adam. (BTW,circumscion was performed on just the males as a sign for a reason, but that is off topic)<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/Eeeeeek.gif" alt="" />
My reason for this stance is:
1. Eph. 1:10b that is the "summing" up of all things in Christ, things in the "heavens" and things upon the earth.
2. 1 Pet. 1:12b things into which angels long to look. The angels did not have complete knowledge of God because the Son had not yet been given. Not that this confirmed them, but it was something they were still lacking, not seeing Christ as He is. 1 Tim. 3:16 sheds a little light on that.
1 Peter 3:18-22 speaks more on the angels becoming subject to Christ.
Do you realize that the angels in heaven also had to humble themselves before Christ, submitting to His rule? This is a new thing in Heaven, God the Son has forever linked Himself to a body. This was done in order to redeem mankind, what wondrous love this is? They too, had to accept the person of Jesus Christ, not for salvation, but for confirmation in their standing before God.
These things are mysteries, but I believe to be true. Again, everything I have spoken on this newsgroup has no way detracted from God nor from the message of the Gospel. I'm just giving you a new view of things. Whether you agree or not is not important. Each one must be convinced in their own heart. This is a discussion group so I'm discussing not trying to convince.
