Well said as always Pilgrim,

But let me ask you what was the purpose of the question regarding the sabbath day and worldly abstinance?

p.s. I don't think the severity of watching NFL on the Lord's Day is up there with David's sin against God with Bathsheba - so we are talking the severity or degrees of sin?

NFL is played on Sunday - players are working and entertaining on the Lord's - we also make idols of the teams and the players, it consumes are thoughts, passions and desires - it leads us to the bar, etc.

Most Christians know it's wrong to murder, covet and fornicate but do they admit it's wrong to engage in a sporting event on Sunday - this is an issue worth discussing (what about little league games or football games on the Lord's day?) WHat is taking precendent?

On a different note why is Halloween wrong? Kids don't know much about the origins they just know they get to dressup go door to door and get candy.

What about Santa - is he evil?


I guess this could all fall under legalism.

Personally, I lump it all together - it's all vanity - our hearts are inclined toward the world and at the same time away from God.

Pilgrim, do you have kids? Where do you draw the line?


Back to David, if he had no remorse and repentance and continued in his ways we would question His standing before God but the man who continues to tarnish the Lord's day and have no regard for His honor (even though he may have some concept and inclination towards God and His ways)is much worse then the repentant sinner who commited a gross outward sin, no?

I don't understand your point with David - sin is sin, no?
David was reconciled to God - there are many who will never commit an act as heinous as David's who will not be.

In discussions or sermons about vein pursuits and following after the world and putting it before God (i.e. the Super Bowl) mentioning the Theater, Pro-sports and entertainment in general would certainly have it's place. You never heard sermons from George Whitefield criticising the playhouses and cards and dice on Christmas - how about Calvin and Geneva - what activies did he consider unlawful?

Pilgrim, I'm not saying your perspective is wrong - but it is not as clear-cut as you think, I don't think.

Last edited by AC.; Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:11 AM.