Originally Posted by Nick Mudge
Oh dear- do enlighten me on why you consider John Piper to be unorthodox. Would you include Jonathan Edwards in the same category of unorthodoxy?
Since you have John Piper listed as one of your favorite authors, I can only assume that you are not going to be interested in hearing about Mr. Piper's deviations in doctrine. grin So, I am not going to waste time listing them all with a full-orbed critique of his writings. Others have already done so, much of which is accessible online and in some of the past discussions we have had here.

Secondly, I didn't say that John Piper was "unorthodox". Rather I wrote this: ",...by another John who was far more orthodox in his theology." As you can see the statement implies that John Piper is less than orthodox than John Owen, doubtless a truism.

Thirdly, I am going to assume but I am also open to correction, that you are trying to convey that you believe John Piper is in full agreement with and teaches a pure expression of Edwards' writings? This is highly debatable IF that is what you are saying. Piper claims that his heretical teaching called, "Christian Hedonism" is to be found in Edwards. drop Well, I do not claim to be a renown scholar on Jonathan Edwards, but I have read many of his writings and I cannot find anything even remotely related to Piper's "Christian Hedonism" in them.

Lastly, some of my grievances against Piper are:

  • Questionable view(s) concerning justification: cf. Future Grace.
  • Allowing women to occupy the office of Deacon: cf. his convoluted attempt to circumvent sound exegesis of those relevant passages concerning the office of Deacon by fabricating another "non-office" of Deaconesses.
  • Disturbing and unbiblical teaching re: "Christian Hedonism", which even the phrase is contra-Scripture.
  • Promoting a non-cessationist view of the ecstatic gifts of the Spirit.
  • Involvement with the "Acts 29 Group".

That will do for now. Let me tell you right up front that I am NOT interested in participating in some groupie defense of John Piper, who I realize has a tremendous following. If he is one of your "heroes" of the faith, then so be it. But if you bring forth any of his spurious teachings here on the board, they will be challenged. wink grin

In His grace,


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