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Tulipman, Would I be wrong in concluding, after reading through your rather long originative response to Tom, that you hold to an Amyraldian position?  CONCLUSION The Calvinist asks, so if the price for all was paid by Christ and the redemption for all was sufficiently completed by God the claimant, then why doesn't the Holy Spirit make sure all the turkeys are collected?
That is a lot like the question we Christians sometimes ask, so why has God save me and not my neighbour, who is a very generous and unsaved heathen?
We know the answer to that, that nobody has the answer to that. I don't know why me and not him. Which leads us to ask, so why doesn't God give us the answer to that? The Bible says, so that no turkey may boast. 1. If the price was paid for all, then de facto, the Holy Spirit does indeed make sure all the "turkeys" are collected. The incarnate Christ says it is to be so (Jh 6:37). And, He simply did that which was the will of His Father, with whom He had an eternal covenant to accomplish that very thing. Linguistically, agorazo connotes not merely the payment of price but the acquisition of that which has been paid for, aka: ownership. Those for whom Christ shed His propitiatory blood legally belong to Him. 2. God has saved me and not my neighbor because it was the eternal good pleasure of God to do so. 3. The answer to #2 is given in Scripture and quite clearly, if I may be so bold to say so. It is stated in myriad ways but none so succinctly and manifestly than what is found here: Ephesians 1:3-6 (ASV) "Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved:"
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2 Peter 2:1 Question
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Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:20 AM
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