On a related note - I have 2 questions about Misery-Deliverance-Gratitude.

1. I would deduce from your comments that you believe M-D-G is also a comprehensive part of the same experience, meaning each aspect of true conversion is basically interrelated & instantaneous.

2. I was told by a little less-conservative Christian-brother that M-D-G is less linear and more circular. Not that it is a viscious cycle, but rather as we undergo sanctification/growing in grace we will actively expereince the bitterness of sin and a renewal of repentance leading to continued gratitude. So the initial rebirth is not in question, but a renewal of the misery of sin/the deliverance from sin/and the gratitude toward the Savior continues/is continual....

thoughts?


Originally Posted by Pilgrim
2. This phraseology, "we have to come to an end of ourselves before Jesus becomes fully needful, is very dangerous and is typical of many "Mystics" and/or "Pietists". What this often does is to thrust one into the endless and fruitless exercise of morbid introspection. The poor soul is directed to take his/her focus off of Christ and onto themselves, seeking for that 'necessary' emotional conviction and disparity of soul. The question needs to be asked, 'How much desperation is necessary before one can truly come to know they are trusting Christ for salvation?' My answer is, 'It isn't a matter of quantity but rather a matter of quality. Whatever the Holy Spirit deems necessary to bring a needy sinner to Christ is enough!!

Last edited by AC.; Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:22 PM.
The mercy of God is necessary not only when a person repents, but even to lead him to repent, Augustine