The Highway Forums General Discussion Devotional Quotes TULIP

I understand your view. And I'm saying I totally disagree for myriad reasons which I have enumerated several times already. That God saves the elect out of __________fill in the blank is certainly true for ALL are saved OUT OF sin. The antithesis between our views is that Scripture teaches that the elect are called from darkness to light by THE Gospel and NOT without it. Your view removes the necessity of a sinner hearing THE Gospel, through which the Spirit works regeneration and efficacious grace. You and others can speculate that God can save anyone in whatever means He chooses. However, Scripture doesn't even hint at what God might be able to do, but rather how He actually works. Can you provide even one example where a sinner has been genuinely saved through a false gospel, which teaches a false god, a false jesus, a false spirit? God's elect are ALWAYS called through the TRUE Gospel. Paul pronounces ANATHEMA upon all who preach/teach a false gospel, a gospel which he and all the apostles did not preach/teach. The issue is Justification and not Sanctification where all who are called to repentance and faith grow in the knowledge of God.

I ask again... IF as you and all Tolerant Calvinist assert, that salvation can and does come from someone hearing the lies of Satan in false churches then why bother with what the true Gospel is? Further, since these false churches and their false gospel have great success, according to their claims, wouldn't it be better to forget theology altogether and use whatever "works", and then try to convince these "converts" that what they believe is totally false and teach them the doctrines of grace? The modern church is filled with false conversions and a false sense of assurance that all is made right with God. An unregenerate sinner can certainly recite the truth and articulate it marvelously yet it is nothing more than head knowledge. A genuinely converted sinner without even knowing what Calvinism is will express the essence of Calvinism from the heart. For example, a truly regenerate Christian will describe himself/herself as loathesome, a wretch, without any goodness or righteousness before God. This revealed self-assessment is accompanied by painful conviction. This is how Paul describes himself in several places in Scripture. The same can be said of all the "Five Points" as well, plus much more, from Genesis to Revelation by the true sheep of Christ. It is indeed a matter of teaching, but not the teaching of men, but by the teaching of the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the TRUE Gospel. God does not circumvent His inspired, inerrant, infallible, written Word. (Rom 10:14-21).