The so-called "secular" governments of Muslim nations are only nominally secular. Islam is ALWAYS given the pre-eminence, and other religions repressed implicitly or explicitly. The only thing that keeps them going for the full monty is that the rulers enjoy the trappings of worldliness.

In Malaysia, there is freedom to worship, but it is illegal to proselytize a Muslim. If a person converts to Islam, his Identity Card reflects the new religion. Even if he apostacizes, the official religion REMAINS Islam on the card. When he dies, the authorities WILL give him a Muslim burial; no other legal remedies avail. There are also tax breaks and subsidies that only Muslims enjoy.

In Indonesia, there is religious freedom according to "Pancasila", but in practice Christians are continually persecuted. The burning of churches and other common acts of violence against Christians is illegal, but the government always looks the other way. Recently, the Christian governor of Jakarta was jailed for blasphemy. All Indonesian Chinese are pressured to take Malay (and by implication, Muslim, since religion there is mapped along racial lines) names.

Brunei recently adopted limited Shariah, but whatever remaining rights non-Muslims have will most certainly be taken away in time.

These three are arguably the most moderate of the Muslim secular nations, but their purported religious freedoms are only a cheap veneer to fool the gullible and uninformed.

Shariah will always dominate in a Muslim nation. Always.

The easiest way to understand moderate Muslims is to compare them to nominal Roman Catholics. A nominal Catholic attends mass a few times a year and lives a worldly life. He will, however, think and speak glowingly of priests, monks and nuns, but lament that he is unable to make such great sacrifices. A moderate Muslim feels the same way about Jihadis!

A truly harmless moderate Muslim is actually a heretic or an apostate.

Do not be deceived.

Last edited by goldenoldie; Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:11 PM.

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