Since there was a particular verse that I had in mind, I would like to use it here. If you don't mind. I am not a scholar, and I don't even know what hermaneutics or exegesis means. So, here is my little effort here.. I will talk about the one you mentioned (about being bound) in another post.. also.. just a note here, my adulterous lover who is married to me legally, is getting very irritated that I am threatening to throw shoes at my computer, and that I am revisiting this issue. So I may not be able to participate in this discussion too much longer this evening. BUt then.. maybe since I am not really marrie to him, I won't have to submit! hmmm <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/uptosomething.gif" alt="" /> anyway.. here goes:
I am going to refer to 1 Cor. 7 here. I posted this just recently on another board. So if it doesn't make sense.. just try and understand. It is referring mainly to vs. 27-28.
Concerning vs. 27-28, John Piper (I think it was him) says that the word "loosed" there means dead. The man has been loosed in the sense that he has been widowed. Let's restate it in that context. Are you bound (married) to a wife? Do not seek to kill her (be loosed.) Are you loosed (widowed) from a wife? Do not seek to be bound (married.) Does that even make sense?? No. And it doesn't make sense when you add vs. 28. BUT.. EVEN IF YOU DO marry, you have not sinned. John piper et. al. say that that particular part of the verse is referring to virgins.. but in that context, it would say, "but even if you (virgins) do marry, you have not sinned, and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned." I am thinking Paul was not repeating himself there.
Here is what the word "loosed" means in the greek as in vs. 27 1st use:
lusis {loo'-sis}
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) a loosing, setting free
a) of a prisoner
of the bond of marriage, divorce
2) release, ransoming, deliverance
a) of liquidating a debt
and, as 2nd use:
luo {loo'-o}
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to loose any person (or thing) tied or fastened
a) bandages of the feet, the shoes,
of a husband and wife joined together by the bond of matrimony
c) of a single man, whether he has already had a wife or has not yet married
2) to loose one bound, i.e. to unbind, release from bonds, set free
a) of one bound up (swathed in bandages)
bound with chains (a prisoner), discharge from prison, let go
3) to loosen, undo, dissolve, anything bound, tied, or compacted together
a) an assembly, i.e. to dismiss, break up
laws, as having a binding force, are likened to bonds
c) to annul, subvert
d) to do away with, to deprive of authority, whether by precept or act
e) to declare unlawful
f) to loose what is compacted or built together, to break up, demolish, destroy
g) to dissolve something coherent into parts, to destroy
h) metaph., to overthrow, to do away with
AV - loose 27, break 5, unloose 3, destroy 2, dissolve 2, put off 1, melt 1, break up 1, break down 1; 43
3) means or power of releasing or loosing
Vs. 28 says, but if they DO remarry, they have not sinned. This is in context of remaining in the state in which we were called.
That is nice that he graduated, however I chose to believe the Word of God over the words of a man.
And what may I ask are you? Are you a man? Then I take it you do not believe your own words. Then why should anyone else?? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/drop.gif" alt="" /> PLEASE use a proper argument!
Is marriage a covenant? May God dissolve a covenant? Has God ever ordered a covenant dissolved? The answers to these questions alone disprove what you have written. As I stated in the post before please do a study of covenant relationships and your eyes will be opened to much more truth then you have now.
Joe said: I hold that biblical divorce is allowed for the sin of adultery and abandonment—as stated in Scripture...
1. adultery = assumption of scripture that is disproved due to human interpretation in contradiction of many other references in scripture
2. abandonment 1 Cor 7:10 = also disproved as it would contradict other scriptural references.
The word bound in 1 Cor 7:15 is not the same word bound as used in 1 Cor 7:39. In 1 Cor 7:15 the word bound in the Greek is used to mean slavery or to fulfill marital duties, which is not the same as the word that means to bind in verse 39.
Joe, when is it mans job to dissolve a marriage bond/covenant?
MT 19:4 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,' 5 and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Your argument is with Jesus, not me. You need to try to prove to God that man is justified in dissolving a marriage covenant. Happy trails in trying to prove him wrong.
concerning vs 27.. "are you bound to a wife, do not seek to be loosed, are you loosed from a wife, do not seek to be bound."
Bound:
deo {deh'-o}
Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to bind tie, fasten
a) to bind, fasten with chains, to throw into chains
b) metaph.
1) Satan is said to bind a woman bent together by means of a demon, as his messenger, taking possession of the woman and preventing her from standing upright
2) to bind, put under obligation, of the law, duty etc.
a) to be bound to one, a wife, a husband
3) to forbid, prohibit, declare to be illicit
other uses: Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
So, this is talking about the same 'bondage' as in 1 Cor. 7. Paul says, but if you do marry (or become bound) you have not sinned.
Joe, you seem to be educated and yet, you haven’t read though any of the material that I provided at the beginning of this post. So you are coming at me one sided. How can you discuss the other side, when you have not even read it? Or have you?
At least MHeath is reading the material/scripture to know what they need to dispute or approve.
No any Greek scholar will tell you that the word bound in 1 Cor 7:15 and 1 Cor 7:39 have different meanings. Go ask your pastor as he probably had to study Greek in college.
k.. mr. max.. no using divide and conquer here <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nono.gif" alt="" />
Joe has been around the block about a hundred times more than I have, and he knows WAY more than I do.. and even maybe you <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/Eeeeeek.gif" alt="" />
Joe, you seem to be educated and yet, you haven’t read though any of the material that I provided at the beginning of this post.
To which you stated in your first post:
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Let us also discuss [color:"FF0000"]anything you believe[/color] to be errant or contradictory to the Word of God in relation to those papers/books.
And this my friend is what I am discussing. John Murray's article, which you have not disproved, but rather mocked, and covenant theology to which you have shown you do not understand.
1. adultery = assumption of scripture that is disproved due to human interpretation in contradiction of many other references in scripture
Please exegete the passage in Matt 19:9!
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Joe asked you to exegete Matt 19:9, but you didn't. I ask it again.
Please exegete the passage in Matt 19:9!
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
