Well Fred I did watch the show tonight I must admit I mainly watch the MacArthur 30 minutes (too short by far) and not much after. My daughters were questioning why I was watching the "twisted bible network" but when I explained that it was for MacArthur they seemed satisfied.
Its too bad that Kirk Cameron couldn't have an hour of just teaching instead of interspersing it with songs and other stuff that wasn't so relevant but I suppose the "tbn" owners would have a conniption fit.
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
Its too bad that Kirk Cameron couldn't have an hour of just teaching instead of interspersing it with songs and other stuff that wasn't so relevant but I suppose the "tbn" owners would have a conniption fit.
(Fred) Yes, I wish Kirk had more time with MacArthur. I was pleased that Kirk asked him some leading questions that gave Mac the opportunity to blast the health and wealth gospel message that is daily paraded across that network. Oddly, the audience applauded a lot of what John said, especially the parts where he said Jesus never guarantees anyone health and wealth in this world, and that the call of the gospel is to deny self and potentially die for Christ. That was unexpected coming from a largely charismatic audience. It was also the first time I saw anyone open up a Bible and read it, which I believe was probably intentional on John's part. John also did a good job of involking Church History, especially the Reformers; John Calvin was mentioned on several occasions along with Martin Luther and John Bunyan. Kirk was a little annoying with his gushing remarks concerning John's preaching and his constant use of the word "wow" in response to many of John's comments. It reminded me of Chris Farely's old skits on SNL where he plays an incompotent geek who stammers through interviews with major celebrities. I imagine, though, that Kirk was nervous for hosting a program like that all by himself, as well as interviewing one of his spiritual heroes. Once John got to rolling, Kirk loosened up a bit. The folks we were with hung through the remainder of the program and we listened to his interview with Steve Chapman, which was also well done. He had a lot of good things to say as well. Steve is also a solid believer and one of the few respectable and theologically correct CCM performers.
Fred
"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns
Oddly, the audience applauded a lot of what John said, especially the parts where he said Jesus never guarantees anyone health and wealth in this world, and that the call of the gospel is to deny self and potentially die for Christ. That was unexpected coming from a largely charismatic audience.
I always thought they just clapped when the applause sign came on. Just like all other TV shows?
They probably have an "amen" track and a "tongues" track as well.
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
Does anyone know where I can get a transcript for this online and for free? I watched it and really liked what MacArthur had to say and I wanna post it in my theology xanga. (Which there is a link to below. My first post is there and everything)
One praise worthy update to John's appearance on TBN.
The ministry here received an email from a lady in England who has been an avid TBN viewer and financial supporter. She stated in her letter that the gospel John presented on the broadcast was the first time she heard the gospel framed in such a manner. In her thinking, the gospel of Christ is one of blessing, financial reward and anticipated personal miracles. When John specifically stated that Christ's gospel calls people to self denial and the possibility of death, she stated that she was totally shaken to her foundation. What compounded this personal earthquake of sorts even more is the fact that John used scripture to support his assertions. It was, in her estimation, the first time anyone on that program used a Bible to solidly support his beliefs about Jesus, the gospel and personal sanctification. Her final comments were somewhat dispairing as she stated she is unsure what to do with herself now. We are trying to set her up with some folks we know over in the UK. At anyrate, I was thrilled to hear how God in his providence was using such an unusual broadcast on such a bizare network.
Fred
"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns
Praise the Lord! I pray that God will continue to work in this woman, as well as in the hearts of others who heard the show.
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
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