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aren't we supposed to be watching out for Jesuit priests, and anyone who doesn't read the king james only ..the 1611 version?

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aren't we supposed to be watching out for Jesuit priests, and anyone who doesn't read the king james only ..the 1611 version?

Blasted Jesuits . . . I tell ya, THEY's the ones who invented all these newfangled translations!!! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />


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Kathy,

I had at one point done a lot of research into Judaism and was very attracted to the "Noahide movement." Frankly, this movement is far too small to be of any real importance since most people involved prefer to go the full mile and become Jews rather than continue to exist in the kind of lesser spiritual state which obedience to the Noahide laws alone confers upon them. Furthermore, many of the Jews' most revered sages considered Christians to be in basic obedience to the prohibition against idolatry.


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Kyle, why don't you call Dave Hunt. I'll call Tim LaHaye. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/noevil.gif" alt="" />

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Hi Semper,

I'm very behind on this thread I started... I apologize. No, I am not a dispensationalist. I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture. I also believe that in Christ we are one, that distinctions such as Jew, Greek are moot.

I am up very late... and tomorrow I will post scriptural verses that do pertain. What I want to impress is that this topic is not encompassed in the phrase "Noahide Movement." I wonder if it is acceptable in this forum to post a few links if you are interested... I will. Many Christians have devoted countless hours and effort to put info on the web, and most of these are better equipped in their knowledge. I more than anything want to plant the seed of this topic, for Christians who are discerning and seeking to know.

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Hello Kathy. Welcome to the Highway. I think you are claiming that some Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled by these events? If so, could you provide some scriptural references? Thanks.


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http://www.beismoshiach.org/Moshiach/moshiach341.htm
The Rebbe’s Revolution In 5762
Ten years passed. On the one hand, world-wide terror increased. On the other hand, the world continued to progress towards the time of the Rebbe Mendel Menachem Schneerson’s revelation. Somehow, the Rebbe arranged it so that Bush’s son would become president too and complete what his father left unfinished.
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But since the time has come for the revelation of the Rebbe MH"M, THE U.S. HAS NO CHOICE, AND MUST FULFILL ITS DESTINY AND INSTILL THE SHEVA MITZVOS* WITHIN ALL OF HUMANITY. (7 Noahide Laws)*

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Way Too Much God / Was the president's speech a case of "mission inebriation"? Fri, January 21, 2005

…The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech. This president, who has been accused of giving too much attention to religious imagery and religious thought, has not let the criticism enter him -- It seemed a document produced by a White House on a mission. The United States, the speech said, has put the world on notice.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006184

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Public Law 102-14
http://www.benamozegh.name/Documents/Benamozegh--US-Bill-102-14.html
House Joint Resolution 104 Public LAW 102-14 102nd Congress 1991
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation, the United States of America, was founded;

Whereas President George W. Bush, distinguished leader of our great Nation, stated `Ethical values are the foundation for civilized society. A society that fails to recognize or adhere to them cannot endure.';

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the cornerstone of society since the dawn of civilization when they were known as the Seven Noahide laws;

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"It is our duty to force all mankind to accept the seven Noahide laws, and if not - they will be killed." Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

Synagogue of Satan
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, and faithful. Rv:17:14:
Matthew 23:8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
"Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they be sound in the faith: NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, THAT TURN FROM THE TRUTH." (Titus 1:13-14)
Mt:10:17: But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

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Sanhedrin REVIVED Oct 13, 2004 Tiberius

Tractate Sanhedrin Talmud Bavli 57a

The inclusion of heathens, to whom blasphemy is prohibited just as to Israelites, and they are executed by decapitation; FOR EVERY DEATH PENALTY DECREED FOR THE SONS OF NOAH IS ONLY BY DECAPITATION." Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 57a
Rv:20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Jn:17:15: I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

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Will Israel Have A 'King' Soon? The Modern-Day Sanhedrin Say "YES!"
THE JERUSALEM POST - January 12, 2005 -- from Yaakov Katz

Will Jews begin proclaiming "Long live the king" in the near future?
According to a group of 71 Jewish scholars who met this week in the Old City of Jerusalem in the form of a modern-day Sanhedrin "a duplicate of the religious tribunal which convened during the time of the Second Temple" a coronation day is growing closer.

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Matthew 24:23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Rv:1:7: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

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"Beauty for Ashes"... $15 p.a. (AUS.p.a.+ postage overseas) (all material free Online) offer workshops at the Parliament of the World’s Religions in Cape Town, South Africa." Ten years before the First World Parliament of Religions held in 1893, "The Jewish World" predicted the universal movement of all religions to ward a universal Judaism: "The dispersion of the Jews has rendered them a cosmopolitan people.
They are the only cosmopolitan people, and in this capacity must act, and are acting, as a solvent of national and racial difference. The great Ideal of Judaism is not that Jews shall be allowed to flock together one day in some hole-and-corner fashion, for, if not tribal, at any rate separatist objects; but that the whole world shall be imbued with Jewish teachings, and that in a Universal Brotherhood of Nations a greater Judaism, in fact - all the separate races and religions shall disappear." (Feb. 9-16, 1883)The Universal Brotherhood of Nations and Judaised One World Religion have common origins in Freemasonry. Masonic doctrine is based on the Jewish Kabbalah and Masonic rituals on Kabbalistic interpretations of the Old Testament. Establishment of the World Sabbath as holy day for all religions is, of course, an essential part of the Masonic design to shift Western Civilization away from the Christian traditional observance of the Lord’s Day (Sunday) to obligatory observance of the Hebrew Sabbath (Saturday). THIS WILL PREPARE THE GENTILES FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE NOAHIDE LAWS and compulsory induction into the mysteries of Freemasonry, whose initiates consider themselves to be the only True Noahides.
"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: (1 Th 2:14-15)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! MAT 23:37
Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 1TH 2:15
I KNOW THY WORKS, AND TRIBULATION, AND POVERTY, (BUT THOU ART RICH) AND I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. Revelation 2:9
Who call evil good and good evil…
G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to KILL THIS FALSE PROPHET, lest the EVIL spread and destroy many souls. -- (Talmudic doctrine -- blaspheming Jesus the Son of God)

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Cabalah, Kaballah, Quaballah, Qaballah, Caballa, Cabala - The ancient Babylon oral tradition
ALBERT PIKE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT FREEMASONRY IS FOUNDED UPON THE JEWISH QABALAH: All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Qabalah and return to it. Everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of all the Illuminati, Jacob Boehme, Swedenborg, Saint Martin, and others, is borrowed from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and their symbols (Morals and Dogmas, page 744).
(kab-BA-lah) n. Kabbalah. Qabbalah, Cabbalah, and other spellings. “Reception; Acceptance.” The Kabbalah codifies Jewish mystical teachings from the 13th century and therefore is mainly Jewish Occultic Medievalism. The Jewish mystical doctrine is distinguished by its theory of ten creative forces (Ten Sefirot) that intervene between the infinite, unknowable God (Ein Sof) and our created world. Through these emanations God created and rules the universe, and it is by influencing them that humans cause God to send to Earth forces of compassion (masculine, right side) or severe judgment (feminine, left side).
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And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High Dan:7:25:
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. -- Gal. 3:29

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Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Hosea 4:6: MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: BECAUSE THOU HAST REJECTED KNOWLEDGE, I WILL ALSO REJECT THEE, THAT THOU SHALT BE NO PRIEST TO ME: SEEING THOU HAST FORGOTTEN THE LAW OF THY GOD, I WILL ALSO FORGET THY CHILDREN.

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ANTI-SEMITISM
‘the Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism by means of a joint statement issued by a forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals.’ (Ha’aretz article of July 7, 2004)
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/449338.html
The New Catholic Catechism, for the first time instructing all Catholics that the Jews do not need to convert to Jesus for salvation. The Pope is a bigoted rascist who believes entirely in the heresy of Jewish blood supremacy. --- www.texemarrs.com
http://nord.twu.net/acl/talmudiclaw.html -- Talmudic Law
The ACL studies Talmudic Law because 1. communitarian law has roots in ancient Eqyptian Judaic communities (called communitarian-ra), 2. our government has embraced the politics of Militant Zionism, and 3. the President and members of the United States Supreme Court now openly support balancing the Constitution of the United States against "Judaic Law." US v. Talmud Law and The Seven Universal Laws... H.J.Res.104.
… As with the Christians and the many very different denominations that represent it, the Torah-Talmud is also an area of contention among the varieties of Jewish people. The key factor to Talmudic law is that it is not fixed law, it is constantly challenged and rewritten, according to case law precepts. And, unlike the Christian arguments, anyone who objects to the overall authority of Talmudic law, or even portions of it, is labeled anti-Semitic (even the Jews). Many American Jews do not even identify with Judaism. It's also important to know most Jews did not orignially support Zionism. Today, opposition to political Zionism and/or the religious Talmudic laws are condemmed as a racist attitiude toward Jewish people and are subject to criminal prosecution in a growing number of countries.
http://messiahtruth.com/anti.html
QUESTION: What is the source of the common thread of anti-Semitism shared by the historical acts of persecution of the Jewish people?
ANSWER: The New Testament.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land.
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

"Any Jew who can pay homage to the New Testament or allow himself to believe in it, is, in my opinion in the same category as a Jew who tries to justify Hitler's Mein Kampf or, as one who covers up for the deeds of the Nazis.” -- Shmuel Golding

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Jn:8:32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jn:8:36: If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

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I am not as inclined to believe these Noahide folks pose a real threat to genuine Christianity. I would say Rick Warren is a bigger threat to biblical Christianity than some obscure Jewish sect. Most certainly the head hunters from the religion of Islam.

Fred

(Please also read my other new posts)

Fred,

(Rick Warren -- On and Off Topic)
Yesterday I looked up the term “Hegelian Dialectic” a tactic that undermines Truth by omitting (synthesizing) differences by seeking common ground. While on an this page, Lakewood Church was cited as an example… which I went to and found an interesting article about Rick Warren… and his influential popular style. I agree that Rick Warren, and others like him are most definitely a huge threat to biblical Christianity. AND I will tell you how they are part of the topic that I am discussing.

I do not think it is accurate to call this that I’m describing “the Noahide Movement.” The 7 Noahide Laws themselves… are yet unknown ‘values/laws’ for all Gentiles, per the Talmud. The 7th law requires the establishment of courts to enforce the first 6 laws. They are two things… a set of 6 values/laws and an ACTION statement (or promise of.) Currently, they sit as unknown dormant values Congress recognized officially (as Ours)… yet Americans, by and large are unaware of… So, NO… I don’t think that these unknown laws are doing much (any) proselytizing, nor seducing at the moment. They are just sitting there. ***The issue is -- they don’t include Christianity in the ‘World to Come’ … when they are actually enforced.

“…The drilling in the wall kept up, but no one seemed to pay it any mind” (Bob Dylan – Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts.) This brings me back to Rick Warren and the many things that happened culturally, ideologically, politically and spiritually to get us to where we are today. And I would label it “the CONDITION.” In Hegelian-speak, it is called ‘Synthesis.’ People water down their ‘Truth’ for the good of the group for a unity that everyone can tolerate. Scripture-lite, Politically correct, etc.

Among the many things that transpired to get to this condition was the desire to never offend, and build bridges. Well synthesized Christians do not bat an eye to hear their heritage described as “Judeo-Christian.” It is a friendly and embracing term that shows respect for A. Two different religions, and B. Our shared heritage. IT DOES NEITHER. Because A. Judaism and Christianity, spiritually are in opposition to each other. B. Christians wrongly think that the Old Testament ‘Torah’ is the book of Judaism… though in Judaism the Talmud is the most important book, but it is included in the name ‘Torah’. The Talmud is anti-Christian. And The New Testament is anti-Judaism. They have different goals and they are not reconcilable.

A Christian’s focus is on the life to come, meaning resurrected in Heaven. In Judaism, the World to Come, means something entirely different. When the Jewish Moschiah is ‘revealed’ and whether or not Gentiles follow the 7 Noahide Laws and thus have a place in ‘the World to Come’ – it is meant on earth. When the ‘Moschiach’ is revealed, Noahide Laws will be enforced. TALMUDIC PUNISHMENT FOR TRANSGRESSION OF THESE LAWS IS DEATH BY DECAPITATION.

The efforts and planning to ‘reveal the Moshiach’ can be found as news items, coming out of Jerusalem. The historic reestablishment of the Sanhedrin last October is vocal on their pushing for this revealing. …In the event I am confusing you… I am not a Dispensationalist. I don’t believe in a separate plan by God for the Jewish State. These world events of man are not mystical events that of which no one know the hour. These are world events with far reaching consequence. Jerusalem is ready to establish her Theocracy with her Moschiach appointed by men… and as far as the Gentile nations… The Islamic threat to Israel’s goals will have been subdued. And things… ‘SET.’ In our current Synthesized Condition, we are a Christian, or a Judeo-Christian nation “standing firm with Israel”… because to the American Christian… “it is a Godly thing to do.”

The Synthesis CONDITION we are in has everything to do with everything… what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, what is tolerated, what is omitted, which wars are just, whose side to pick… and what we will be willing to swallow and accept. I will end this thread by saying that the Rick Warren approach to salvation might fit in well as it evolves to adjust in the “World to Come” as God’s word keeps evolving to fit comfortably in the minds of watered down Christian America who forgot who she was.

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I had at one point done a lot of research into Judaism and was very attracted to the "Noahide movement." Frankly, this movement is far too small to be of any real importance since most people involved prefer to go the full mile and become Jews rather than continue to exist in the kind of lesser spiritual state which obedience to the Noahide laws alone confers upon them. Furthermore, many of the Jews' most revered sages considered Christians to be in basic obedience to the prohibition against idolatry.

(Please also see other posts I am adding to this forum)

Kyle,

Isn’t the question --- SHOULD there be a question IF Americans, (including Christians) are in obedience of any prohibition of personal belief:

The First Amendment ??? Something about Congress making no law prohibiting free speech and religious belief.

House Joint Resolution 104 Public LAW 102-14 102nd Congress 1991
Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation, the United States of America, was founded;

Whereas President George W. Bush, distinguished leader of our great Nation, stated `Ethical values are the foundation for civilized society. A society that fails to recognize or adhere to them cannot endure.';

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the cornerstone of society since the dawn of civilization when they were known as the Seven Noahide laws;

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“FURTHERMORE, MANY OF THE JEWS' MOST REVERED SAGES CONSIDERED CHRISTIANS TO BE IN BASIC OBEDIENCE TO THE PROHIBITION AGAINST IDOLATRY. “ Kyle said

http://www.noahide.com/lawslist.htm

1. No Idolatry
1) “Against entertaining the thought that there exists a deity except Hashem”

www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm
Who Was Jesus?
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to KILL THIS FALSE PROPHET, lest the EVIL spread and destroy many souls.

"IT IS OUR DUTY TO FORCE ALL MANKIND TO ACCEPT THE SEVEN NOAHIDE LAWS, AND IF NOT - THEY WILL BE KILLED." Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg
Tractate Sanhedrin Talmud Bavli 57a

The inclusion of heathens, to whom blasphemy is prohibited just as to Israelites, and they are executed by decapitation; for EVERY DEATH PENALTY DECREED FOR THE SONS OF NOAH IS ONLY BY DECAPITATION." Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 57a


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Don’t you think
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Rv:20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men… The wrath is come upon them to the uttermost – 1 Th.2:14-16

Synagogue of Satan
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Matthew 23:27-33

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From: www.noahide.com/son.htm
The Messiah is a Jewish king who will gather all the Jewish people to Israel, destroy all evil, rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, and bring true freedom to the world by returning everyone to the Law. He will institute G-d's eternal kingdom here on earth.
The Messiah will teach the Word of G-d to all nations, causing CHRISTIANITY AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS TO DISAPPEAR. The Bible says that everyone will become a Hasidic Gentile, thirsting for the ancient Truth:
***OR… Bye Bye Christians****

The Rebbe ***Blessed be he NOT*** has revealed that the Messiah will finally arrive now, in our generation, amidst great miracles. He has also announced that every Jew, and every gentile, is a representative of G-d to help bring the Messiah immediately.

Contrary to All men…..

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Please help me to understand what you are saying.

When I read your post(s) I think to myself, "Just because people in this fallen world (such as the folks you describe) are teaching non-Biblical truths that does NOT make them any less un-Biblical than they already are. Why is this any more concern to a Bible-believing, Christ-depending Christian than any other cult (such as the Mormons, Jehovah Witness, etc.)?"

Seeking to understand,
Ted

Ted,

Please read the other posts I just added. I agree all false doctrines etc. are a concern. The topic I am presenting to this group, just the 7 Noahide Laws, are a part of a whole… bigger picture. Uniquely, these Laws are now recognized as the values of the United States… (not the 10 commandments, not the Book of Mormon, Hail Mary, etc.)

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Hello Kathy. Welcome to the Highway. I think you are claiming that some Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled by these events? If so, could you provide some scriptural references? Thanks.
Kathy,

In reply to William's question about Biblical prophesy you supplied a looooooooooong list of items that were anything but an answer to his question. Frankly, I read through about a 1/3 of what you copy/pasted from some source(s) and got bored. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sorry.gif" alt="" />

I would be interested, however, in a reply from you that actually dealt with the question asked, since the Scriptures are my authority. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Pilgrim said:In reply to William's question about Biblical prophesy you supplied a looooooooooong list of items that were anything but an answer to his question. Frankly, I read through about a 1/3 of what you copy/pasted from some source(s) and got bored. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sorry.gif" alt="" />

I would be interested, however, in a reply from you that actually dealt with the question asked, since the Scriptures are my authority. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pilgrim,

(I can't help with your boredom, sorry) I did include scriptural quotes. It is a huge topic... I was trying to be comprehensive on a HUGE issue of which there is a lot to present. Maybe, read through it in bits.
I want to create an awareness among the forum readers of events that are taking place. I think it is pretty clear what is taking place. (See the book of Revelations.) As I said earlier... there are Christian comprehensive sites on the Web about what is taking place...

http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_1.html

http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution14.htm

http://www.samliquidation.com/lordjesus.htm

-Kathy

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Pilgrim was correct in that there was a lot to read through. I'll take one section at a time.......

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"It is our duty to force all mankind to accept the seven Noahide laws, and if not - they will be killed." Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

Synagogue of Satan
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, and faithful. Rv:17:14:
Matthew 23:8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
"Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they be sound in the faith: NOT GIVING HEED TO JEWISH FABLES, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, THAT TURN FROM THE TRUTH." (Titus 1:13-14)
Mt:10:17: But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Pure eisegesis. Those passages do not say what you place into them. I couldn't find one commentary that even covered this method or belief or interpretation. The dilemma of reading modern events into prophecy can have some very disastrous effects. The predictions of various groups have failed many. Could you point to something in historical Christianity supporting this interpretation? What scholars brought this forward?


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Kathy said:
(I can't help with your boredom, sorry) I did include scriptural quotes. It is a huge topic... I was trying to be comprehensive on a HUGE issue of which there is a lot to present. Maybe, read through it in bits.
I want to create an awareness among the forum readers of events that are taking place. I think it is pretty clear what is taking place. (See the book of Revelations.)
Kathy,

I have read probably 80% of what you have provided so far. And I have to say that most of it is quite repetitive and that is what precipitated my "boredom". wink I can understand that Christians should be somewhat informed about what is going on with the different cults, sects, and heretical teachings that are present. But being one who doesn't accept the "Futurist" interpretation of Revelation nor the teachings of Premillennialism, your reference to the book of Revelation is irrelevant as I simply don't find it referring to any of this stuff. scratch1

As to your lack of biblical references, it may be you threw a few in for good measure, but what my complaint was concerned the answering of William's question which asked for biblical "proof", i.e., exegesis of relevant passages which reveal this "Noahide Laws" concern. grin If you would/could do that, then I think we would have much more to discuss.

In His Grace,


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