If the Sun and stars and moon and such weren't created until the 4th day, how do people make a case for the first 3 days to be literal 24 hour days as we know them? Is it possible that the first 3 days, when it says "day" that it is just refering to a completed period of time and after that it is a day as we know it now?
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Kalled2Preach said: If the Sun and stars and moon and such weren't created until the 4th day, how do people make a case for the first 3 days to be literal 24 hour days as we know them? Is it possible that the first 3 days, when it says "day" that it is just refering to a completed period of time and after that it is a day as we know it now?
Well, let's ask this: does God need the sun, moon, and stars to create light?
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
Ken Ham is a creation scientist who feels very strongly about this matter. He says that one of the biggest problems with the Church is that they are allowing evolutionary thinking to infiltrate their witnessing and thinking etc. Instead of trying to figure out how science can fit with the BIBLE, the Church is trying to see how the Bible can fit with science. He maintains that without a literal view of Genesis 1-11, the rest of the Bible has no solid ground.
As a young guy, I get into a lot of evolution/beginnings debates with young people my age, and have found his sermons a great help. He speaks very well and has a nice conversational style. You can access some of his sermons here:
For the last few years I have been trying to find a positive date for the creation and the Genesus flood but I have found dates anywhere from 4004 to 10,000 BC for creation and 2350 BC, 3500 BC and 4990 BC for the flood. What do you say and what positive evidence do you have to prove it?
For the last few years I have been trying to find a positive date for the creation and the Genesus flood but I have found dates anywhere from 4004 to 10,000 BC for creation and 2350 BC, 3500 BC and 4990 BC for the flood. What do you say and what positive evidence do you have to prove it?
Why do you want to find the dates? What is your purpose?
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
Believe it or not, one of the major stepping stones the Lord used for me to start going to church was Dr. Kent Hovind. After listening to one of his tape series on Creation vrs. Evolution I became very skeptical about the truth's of Modern Science. You can check him out here. Dr. Kent Hovind
For me, it's not about empirical evidence. There are always going to be questions and things we don't understand. What amazes me the most is how people are so willing to except scientific theory even though it's just a theory and that there are huge gaping holes in the evolutionary theory. So that's enough for me and my faith. I believe the Biblical account of creation because it's God's word that I take literally. There is no reason for me not too. It's as simple as that for me.
Dave.
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16
Well, let's ask this: does God need the sun, moon, and stars to create light?
I like the way you put this and, of course, the simple answer to your question is, "NO".
Our God may do anything He wishes (the impossible) with his own creation, including the creating of effect before cause.
Moses was not stupid. He knew that to say the Lord created light before He created the heavenly bodies that reflect it, would cause the "scientists" of his day to raise their eyebrows. Moses knew that in our world in order to have candle light one must first have a lit candle!
It is also amazing to me that the scientists of our day while rejecting the biblical account of creation as unscientific and "primitive" substitute their own magical, mystical and impossible evolutionary theory of the "mutating gene". <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/3stooges.gif" alt="" />
One must know that the best way for Satan to discount or distort the Scripture, is to cause doubt and unbelief in the very first words of Genesis.
The bottom line is, "Who ya' gonna believe", the impossible theory of a very arrogant Carl Sagan and crew or the inspired words of Moses in Scripture?
We do not know the exact day of creation. God was very familiar with “dates” giving numerous ones (or indications) in Scripture, but here He remained silent. Though He has given us the foundations of it being a young earth, as Calvin said, "creation was extended through six days that it might not be tedious for us to occupy the whole of life in the consideration of it." Amazingly, there is no evidence of eternity or exact date of Christ’s death either. It is a matter of faith.
For the last few years I have been trying to find a positive date for the creation and the Genesus flood but I have found dates anywhere from 4004 to 10,000 BC for creation and 2350 BC, 3500 BC and 4990 BC for the flood. What do you say and what positive evidence do you have to prove it?
First of all welcome to the forum. It sounds like you have invested a significant amount of time looking for this information. The dates you have quoted above are generally considered to be in the ball park. From reading these dates I assume you have read Christian scholars who have used the Bible for establishing some of these dates. I think it's one of those things we may never know for sure so to provide you with "positive evidence" would be quite presumptuous.
Even though we can't know for sure much has been written on this topic. Here are a few articles worth reading.
For the last few years I have been trying to find a positive date for the creation and the Genesus flood but I have found dates anywhere from 4004 to 10,000 BC for creation and 2350 BC, 3500 BC and 4990 BC for the flood. What do you say and what positive evidence do you have to prove it?
(Fred) I am curious if you are familiar with the RATE project that has been on going for several years now with ICR? RATE stands for, "radioisotopes and the age of the earth." It is material that is way over my head to even summarize, but the jest of the project is demonstrating how radioactive decay is faster than what is generally assumed and certain events can increase the decay even more (global catastrophic events, say a flood). In the end, these excelerated rates mess up our calculations for determining age rates. Things that date millions of years when they are not really that old at all. Here is an artice on the subject from their website.
Fred
"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns
...how do people make a case for the first 3 days to be literal 24 hour days...?
Here is a case by which I believe that w/out a doubt the Genesis creation account is referring to litiral days as opposed to "ages" (day and age in Hebrew is the same word).
Exod 20:8-x
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep i holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath... 11. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.
1. I think, here, need not be an argument that the Sabbath day is a literal 24 hr period. 2. In instituting this literal 24 hr period God refers to Genesis creation account as an allegory for justification: If I, God, considered this day important enough to rest on it, how more so shall you!? 3. The argument, therefore, would fail if the word "day" in creation account was referring to an ambiguous age.
