The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Joyce Meyer

I've seen a book by Joyce Meyer lying on the table of a student of mine this morning and remembered that her name came up in some of the discussions on this forum. I searched the archive and found that her name was mentioned along with those of a number of TBN preachers.

How should one feel about what Joyce Meyer writes?

Thanks

Johan

There are good and bad reviews of her work, but suffice it to say that Joyce Meyers is among the most prolific and popular of the word-of-faith proponents. She's popular because she tells people what they want to hear and teaches a man-centered health-and-wealth gospel.

My understanding is that she is not just another prosperity gospel preacher but a heretic who claims to receive direct revelation from God. She is a heretic! and ought to be avoided. Much of her teaching is akin to Copeland and Benny Hinn; her teaching on the atonement is horrible. i.e. maybe Jesus didn't really die on the cross but possibly Judas took his place. I used to work for a book pre-publishing services provider company that prepared some of Meyer's books and study materials. I was told that they were "Christian" but upon closer examination discovered that she is a heretic, albeit a very rich heretic who has made millions by deceiving people.

From her web site:
“The Godhead"
Our God is One, but manifested in three persons"”the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Philippians 2:6; John 14:21-26)

God the Father is greater than all, and He is the Source of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter. (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14)

The Son is the flesh-covered Word, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning. (John 1:14; John 1:18; John 1:1)

The Holy Spirit proceeds forth from both the Father and the Son and is eternal. (John 15:26)”

She says that God is one but appears to us in three personalities - not that He is three Persons.

A good critique.
http://www.pfo.org/wan-star.htm


Not a sinner

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17.htm


I Jn. 1:8-10 " If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

"John refutes the error that we have no sin nature, by using the word sin in the singular. It is not just the committal of sin but the principle of sin, he is referring to sin of every description. If we are sinless then there is no need to ever confess sins, that is something to seriously think of as a worldview. To those who profess to have become perfectly sanctified, and to live without any sin, John says If we say that we have no sin, and continue to sin we live in self deception, “and the truth is not in us.” This kind of attitude will affect all that we do. Meyer's claim of not being a sinner any longer is very concerning because she is promoting this as a revelation from Scripture, when it is not. Her doctrine of justification is skewed.

We are called righteous and even saints as Peter points out 1 Peter 4:18: “Now If the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?” Even though we are covered with Christ’s righteousness our sin remains, we have a sin nature (an old nature) that has not been removed. No saint ever claimed this pure spiritual condition. Not Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Not Job, Moses, David; nor anyone in the New Testament Peter, John, or Paul. None were absolutely perfect, they were all guilty of acts of sin? They never affirmed themselves as not being a sinner. The Bible does not teach that ALL Christians are perfect or no longer sinners. Paul said he was the chief of sinners and continued to do what he did not want to at times. “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (Rom. 7:17). Sin is always present with us until we leave this earth." http://www.letusreason.org/popteac17.htm


http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17.htm

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer6.html


“ATONEMENT AMBIGUITIES

Meyer can be classified as a Word-Faith teacher and as such has shown an inclination to waffle on major doctrines. In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:

“During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).

“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).

“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).

“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).

“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).

All of the above citations are from her chapter entitled, “What Should You Believe?”. The first subheading in this chapter is “What Happened on the Cross?”. Those familiar with Word-Faith vernacular will recall Kenneth Copeland’s 1984 tape, “What Happened From the Cross to the Throne.” Copeland apparently borrowed the title and theme from E.W. Kenyon’s book by the same name.

Meyer teaches the classic “Born-Again Jesus” gospel that has been taught by Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Fred Price, John Jacobs, Charles Capps, Benny Hinn and Jan Crouch, to name a few. It’s usually presented under the guise of “revelation knowledge,” given by the Holy Spirit and grounded in Scripture. However, this gospel does not stand up under biblical scrutiny.

Charismatics many times will make their case by saying, “Jesus went to hell. Doesn’t it say so somewhere in the book of Acts?”
While it is true that Jesus went to hell (Ephesians 4:8-9; 1 Peter 3:18), attention should be focused on what He did or didn’t do there. Meyer and her kind teach that Jesus went there to pay for our sins, it’s the same kind of payment — or better — that He made on the cross.”

“Like all Word of Faith (WOF) preachers, Joyce has a faulty understanding of the atonement, commonly known as the Spiritual Death of Jesus. In this whole theory it is the Devil and his sensational killing of Jesus in hell that somehow attained our salvation. God is just a weak spectator in this whole theory. It is not the wrath of God that Jesus bore, but the cruel torture of the devils in hell. Joyce then makes a really funny twisting of scriptures to get over some of the biblical obstacles to preach this theory. She also makes a really common Charismatic claim that she got all these information not from the Bible, but from special revelation. Thus she assaults the sufficiency of Scriptures and makes it plain that she indeed is preaching an extra biblical truth. “ http://reformed-theoblogy.blogspot.com/2010/11/contending-for-truth-joyce-meyer-expose.html

Here are a few others links about her ministry.

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer2.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer3.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer4.html

A simple google search will bring up ample information

Robin, can you please elaborate a bit on the word-of-faith thing? I'm on the other side of the Atlantic and below the equator.

J

A woman PASTOR that should be enough not to touch with a ten foot pole. It shows she does not understand the Bible. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/flee.gif" alt="" />

Johan

If you can stomach it, you might want to read this thread.
Brad Hammond provided some quotes by some Word of Faith teachers.
Tom

Tom,

I remember that thread. Was quite an intensive discussion.

So, Joyce Meyer also belongs to the category of the TBN preachers. Seems to me all of the TNB preachers are wealthy people in the end.

Can anyone suggest a strategy to convince my student to rather not read Joyce Meyer? Guess I will have to read some Joyce Meyer myself to get the facts right.

Johan

Methinks that the links provided by Chestnutmare are very revealing and informative re: Joyce Meyer and her "ministry"!

Although I don't know a lot about Joyce Meyer, from what I have been told about her is that her Word of Faith beliefs are not as pronounced as others like Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland etc...
However, she is a featured speaker with many Word of Faith speakers at many seminars.
My sister in law (who is a relatively new Christian) is not a fan of the Word of Faith movement, but seems to like Joyce Meyer. To me this makes Joyce Meyer more dangerous than other Word of Faith speakers, because many do not recognize her Word of Faith teaching.
A few days ago I send my sister in law some information about Joyce Meyer. I haven't received a reply back yet, but I do know from experience that she is becoming more discerning of who she listens to, so hopefully that trend continues.
I would appreciate yours and others prayers in that regard.

Tom

Tom,

I had a quick look at one of Joyce Meyer's books yesterday and realized that, in order to convince my student, I have to read it myself and present concrete evidence from the book she is reading. In this case the title is something like "Battlefield of the mind".

I found three websites that either give a good summary of the Word-of-faith movement and/or discuss individual Word-Faith teacher's theology. You can look here or here or here.

I now have better idea of what the Word-Faith movement is and that indeed there are serious errors in the teachings of Word-Faith preachers. A purely subjective observation I made after watching a few videos of some of the Word-Faith preachers is that instead of REALLY focusing on Christ in their preaching, they actually turn the attention of the audience on themselves.

Johan

I would not say that she is a health and wealth type. Her statement of faith from http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/StatementOfFaith/ does not indicate such. Although I do not know what she teaches since I have never really listened to her.

Vince

Have you read the other posts on this thread?
If not I think you should and after you do if you think we are in error, please show us where.
In one of the posts, a link was given that I would definitely recommend.
http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17.htm

Tom

Tom,

Have YOU read This post, which I have pointed out before where 4 very good links which SPECIFICALLY deal with Joyce Meyer, the thread topic, and her beliefs? Again, I personally, found the information found at those 4 links to be right to the point and very revealing re: Joyce Meyer and her heretical views.

In His grace,

Mt 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”



I had hoped that a review of the previously posted links would suffice but some seem to doubt that Meyer is indeed a Word of Faith preacher or to be sufficiently warned against such a heretic. I hesitated to include the following link because I had some concern about the presenter’s theology but he certainly included some audio clips of Meyer’s preaching that ought to make your blood boil and skin blister!!

Listen here:
http://www.pinpointevangelism.com/FalseTeacher/Audio/JoyceMeyer-FranSankey.mp3

More reading material here:
http://www.ontruth.com/joycemeyer.html

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1163176850

http://www.wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=resources.meyer

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer6.html

http://www.intotruth.org/links/other-wof.html

http://www.christian-witness.org/not_in_pubs/drjoyce.html

Pilgrim

Actually the link I provided was one of those 4 links provided by Chesnutmare.

You are so correct that the information revealed in those 4 links show Joyce Meyer's heretical views.

Tom