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I am going to say something that is against my better judgment, because I fear it will fall on deaf ears.
You are free to disagree with Robin or others on this issue; this is certainly a debatable issue even among Reformed Christians. However, you are not defending your position very well. I am almost positive that most theologians that hold the position that you do would probably rebuke you for the way you are dealing with this topic. I believe this board has been more than patient with you, please do not take that for granted.
I see in another recent post of yours in this thread you answered Robin by saying that Catholics and JWs gave you the same answer. If this is the case and you have been corresponding with them in the same manner you have here, they are justified in doing so. Even if I agreed with you on this matter (I don't) I would still agree with Robin on the way you have been discussing this issue. Either take that as constructive criticism, or for the sake of the rest of the board, stop posting here, because it isn’t productive.
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evangelist says:![[Linked Image]](http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l42/tapizoid/lalala.gif) Oh. I kinda figured that. -Robin
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Robin said: This was popular mythology among charismatics when I was among them. It was used to justify speaking in tongues as a "prayer language" (making interpretation unecessary): "My spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful (1st Corinthians 14:14)."
We described it in terms of the "infallible regenerate spirit praying" while the yet fallible and corruptible mind (or soul) did not profit from "praying in the spirit." The solution was to pray and sing "in the spirit, and with the mind also (verse 15)."
This was all based on the false assumption that the one who spoke in tongues couldn't understand his own speech. But both the Greek and the context of 1st Corinthians 14 very strongly imply that edification = understanding (with the mind) and that the goal of even "praying in the spirit" was to edify others.
-Robin Also that is why we should pray for the interpretation even in ur private spiritual prayer time so our natural mind gain understanding .
But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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This is what I did compare the scriptures against what religion and religious people are teaching! I am teaching the good news of Christ and not a old testiment theology, and doctrine of the church at large.
Shalom!
But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Sorry if the truth is defensive i didn't mean it to be that why , but I can't accept another doctrine or a strange gospel which is not biblical. i just defend the bible,and I am not defending an religion, or my pentecostal philosophy! If a person disagree with the bible then it shouldn't be my fault I hope not.
Shalom
But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Should I lie just to agree with you and to make you happy but reject the truth at large??
But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Tom can speak for himself, but my response is assuredly, "NO! you should not lie." However, you ARE rejecting the "truth once delivered to the saints" which can be found in all of the Protestant confessions and catechisms that came out of the Protestant Reformation, e.g. Belgic Confession, Heidelberg Catechism, Canons of Dordt, Helvetic Confession, Westminster Confession of Faith, Shorter and Larger Catechism, Savoy Declaration, Baptist London Confession of Faith, Thirty-nine Articles, et al. Your view is decidedly contrary to this great weight of witnesses to the teaching of Scripture. We are more than "happy" to embrace this truth which our forefathers have defended against all errant views, not excluding that which you are espousing. We have searched the Scriptures and found your view wanting, to say the least, which you have not been able to support from Scripture. Galatians 1:6-9 (ASV) "I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; which is not another [gospel] only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema." In His grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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