The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Should a Muslim be able to hold office?

IF what you say is true, then those professing Muslims need to repudiate Islam and remove themselves from every aspect of that religion. Sharia Law is inseparably part of Islam. Islam isn't like modern Christianity which is like a supermarket where one can pick and choose what they like and by-pass/reject the rest and then declare such as "brothers and sisters in Christ".

2 John 1:6 (ASV) "And this is love, that we should walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, even as ye heard from the beginning, that ye should walk in it."

Notice, God through the Apostle John did not say, "... that we should walk after some of his commandments." Doubtless, Islam has the same requirements for those who profess their religion.

Pilgrim
What you say is very true. It is true that not all Muslims agree with what constitutes Sharia Law; but all want it.
I understand that there are Muslims today who are fighting against extemist Muslims today and in the Philippines where many of these extremists are at war. Muslims are actually protecting their Christian nabours and leading them to safety.
These things however, should not fool people into believing that some Muslim's do not want Sharia Law.
Tom

There are Muslims who do advocate for secular ways, as they would be cultural based, and not really inti Islam as a "way of life"

The are Islamic nations who operating under a secular government, while others nations govern by Islamic Law!

JesusFan

What you are describing is an oxymoron. Sharia and Islam go hand in hand. It is about as big as an oxymoron as saying "Liberal Christian".
In other words, they are not true Muslims.

Tom

There are muslim nations who are under a secular government though!

The so-called "secular" governments of Muslim nations are only nominally secular. Islam is ALWAYS given the pre-eminence, and other religions repressed implicitly or explicitly. The only thing that keeps them going for the full monty is that the rulers enjoy the trappings of worldliness.

In Malaysia, there is freedom to worship, but it is illegal to proselytize a Muslim. If a person converts to Islam, his Identity Card reflects the new religion. Even if he apostacizes, the official religion REMAINS Islam on the card. When he dies, the authorities WILL give him a Muslim burial; no other legal remedies avail. There are also tax breaks and subsidies that only Muslims enjoy.

In Indonesia, there is religious freedom according to "Pancasila", but in practice Christians are continually persecuted. The burning of churches and other common acts of violence against Christians is illegal, but the government always looks the other way. Recently, the Christian governor of Jakarta was jailed for blasphemy. All Indonesian Chinese are pressured to take Malay (and by implication, Muslim, since religion there is mapped along racial lines) names.

Brunei recently adopted limited Shariah, but whatever remaining rights non-Muslims have will most certainly be taken away in time.

These three are arguably the most moderate of the Muslim secular nations, but their purported religious freedoms are only a cheap veneer to fool the gullible and uninformed.

Shariah will always dominate in a Muslim nation. Always.

The easiest way to understand moderate Muslims is to compare them to nominal Roman Catholics. A nominal Catholic attends mass a few times a year and lives a worldly life. He will, however, think and speak glowingly of priests, monks and nuns, but lament that he is unable to make such great sacrifices. A moderate Muslim feels the same way about Jihadis!

A truly harmless moderate Muslim is actually a heretic or an apostate.

Do not be deceived.

Thank you. I was not aware of these things yet I do know that a Muslim is always a Muslim first. We saw the movie The Promise about the Armenian genicide. It demonstrates well just how merciful the Muslims are when called to jihad.