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The apostle Paul told the baptized community at Corinth that Christ died for "our sins." Yet some were not converted no doubt. Accordingly, when hypocrites manifest there unbelief the church should say with the apostle John that they went out from us because they were not truly of us. The church often times has to change its declarations. This is no surprise. If we aren’t willing to do this then the church can never say with Paul that Christ died for our sins – for the declaration will on occasion be incorrect.
Ron,

Again, I do feel your view is based far more on presumption than biblical factual statements. You are presuming that the letter to the Corinthians was addressed to infants as well as adults, to which I simply cannot imagine nor agree. Also your categories of "establishment of the covenant" and the "administration of the covenant" are not found in Scripture but are deductions, based upon a presupposition, to which I again must reject. There is nothing wrong with my knowledge of "Vosian" biblical theology. I am well aware of what Vos taught and I also realize that he was influenced in his views of covenant by Abraham Kuyper. And thus, I believe he errs in this particular area of theology.

Lastly, you didn't answer my question, which is fine... in regard to what you tell a covenant child who you have instructed from his/her earliest days that Christ has atoned for their sins and who never comes to faith. What do you then tell that now adult? that Christ didn't die for their sins? or that Christ did indeed for their sins and that despite that fact, they are destined to eternal judgment? Sounds awfully much like Arminian language to me.

Yes, you KNOW I respect your freedom to hold to your view, even though I find it indefensible and inconsistent. And although I find it a dangerous one, in that it has a potential to ingrain a false assurance in children and/or cause a crack in the wall of Calvinistic soteriology, specifically concerning Definite Atonement, it is far less objectionable than those who hold to a consistent presumptive regeneration. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Peace,


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