The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum At what point?

Hi Propadeutic,

You bring up some good points. The problem, however, with America is this: to defend this nation in our military, you must swear an oath to uphold and defend our constitution (which is nothing other than how our courts interpret it). Our constitution currently is understood to permit abortion, adultery, rank idolatry, "gay" marriage, etc. If someone swears to uphold and defend our constitution, they are swearing to defend our supposed "rights" currently protected by our constitution (which, again, whether we like it or not the courts - not original intent - decide). Someone who swears an oath to uphold and defend the constitution swears an oath to oppose God and His law.

That being said, regarding the Roman Empire two-thousand years ago: historical context is very important. One of the most simple tenets of the Christian faith is that those to whom much has been given, much shall be expected. Those without a Bible, aren't expected to live according to every precept contained in it. For example, someone without divine revelation isn't responsible for not participating in the Lord's Supper, being baptised, believing in justification by faith alone, etc. Someone who does have the Bible, however, is responsible for these things. The light given to a person increases their moral responsibility. The same goes for nations. The Roman Empire was a pagan nation, existing in a time when all the masses knew were paganism. The United States of America is a nation that has Christian origins, descends from a Christian continent and nations (England, France, Spain, etc.), and there is a church on every corner. With regard to the moral obligations relative to God's requirements, the USA has much more to answer for than the Roman Empire did when it comes to legislation. The Twin Towers went down in the fury of God's wrath on this nation and, unless we repent, that was only a scratch on the surface of future judgments. To join our military, swear an oath to defend a nation that is obstinately the enemy of God (not just culturally, but inherently in our very public institutions like our schools), and then to go and believe you're a martyr if you die for it, is to stand opposed to God. Thankfully, I think many do it ignorantly and don't pretend to know the state of their souls. On the other hand, that our nation is an abomination to God is common sense to anyone who compares our institutions and culture to the expectations of the word of Almighty God. The USA is in *BIG* trouble with God, and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing those shameful uniforms declaring my "love" for this beast.

Your points are well-taken however - and I mean that. The questions and concerns you raised are ones that every Christian needs to consider. I hope my post hasn't offended you. I tend to be a person who would prefer to avoid conflict or ever sounding offensive in life, if at all possible. This subject, however, is one that I feel so morally constrained to announce to the world that I can scarce keep from preaching it on street corners. The individuals in our nation aren't just going to hell. This nation itself is in the midst of a cosmic collision with a very angry omnipotent God named Yahweh and it has only just begun. I fear if my mouth remains closed and I pussyfoot the subject in certain cases when it comes up by speaking euphamistically, my insides eat me up and I will displease my Maker.

Take care,
John P.

Ezekiel 16:2, "Cause Judah to know her abominations."