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jadeitedrake0 said:
...It may be that we are arguing same thing from different perspectives here...

A lumber-jack bought an axe. Since then he used that axe for 20 years, he changed the handle many times and he changed the head many times. Is it still the same axe he bought 20 years ago?

I would say, no, because a variable is defined by its constituents, which are clearly different then 20 years ago. You say, yes, because it is still the same axe he bought 20 years to chop wood with. Who's wrong here?
nope we are not arguing the same thing here! And I would not say "yes . . ." for the analogy is not applicable. In your "axe" analogy that which was the axe, i.e., the handle and the head were replaced and thus it cannot be said to be the same tool. But in the case of one's body, it remains the same although its form has changed. God created man out of the dust of the earth and it is to the earth that it returns when the spirit no longer dwells in it. How the Lord God will create the spiritual body isn't revealed in His Word. But, as I have twice now brought up, the post-resurrection body of the Lord Christ does tell us some things, e.g., it was recognizable, it had substance, it could consume and digest food, etc. What the disciples saw after Christ rose from the dead was not a totally different body from that which He had prior to His resurrection.

You can have the last word if you like, but I think I've reached the end of the road you are wanting to go down. wink

In His grace,


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