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"My Bible says “in hell” not Hades and that there is a “great gulf fixed” which can not be passed and apparently he could see thru the smoke."
Actually, Bill, from what I read, in the New Testament, the words used for the place of the unbeliever is “Gehenna” and “Hades”(the Greek word for Hades is often translated as “grave”, 11 times in KJV). The KJV, translates the word to “Hell” in this account, where the NAS, doesn’t translate the word to mean “Hell” at any place in the N.T.. One other word is used in 2 Peter 2:4, for the place of the fallen angels which is “tartaroo” and it occurs only once. If this is a parable, it seems reasonable to believe that the emphasis is that the “Rich man” (Pharisee) is not where he thought he would be while alive physically and though he claim to be descendent of Abraham (and thus a blessed Seed of Abraham) in death he found that Lazarus (Gentile) was the one who was truly a spiritual descendent of Abraham (Rom.2:28-29 and 9:7-8). Thus “the gulf” is metaphorically presented as separation from God’s kingdom, and the small particulars like, communication and vision are not literal but for emphasis of the story.
"Comfort is in Abraham's bosom for Lazarus in type his bosom is either God or the heavenly's and though the righteous shall see the misery of the wicked and the wicked shall see the righteous God will be being glorified." In “type” is a good estimation of Lazarus, Abraham and the Rich man, in regards to God’s Kingdom and the kingdom of the world. Much of the Old Testament figures were a “type” of the Christ to come ( Luke 24:27,Col.. 2:17).
"Abraham, well this could be figurative and could be interpreted with Mathew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living"
It could be figurative, but can one take a literal story and say that the Rich man and Lazarus are real figures and Abraham is only figurative?
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