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Puritan said: But the issue involves "everyone" in the church. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> The issue involves GOD and what HE requires of everyone in regard to how He is to be worshipped..... and not the matter of everyone's preferences. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> John continues to ask with: When we read all the versus in Psalms that lead us to believe that worship can be about making a "joyful" noise, about pleasing God in a more "joyful" and "loving" manner rather then a reverent and somber manner, what do we make of them? How do we firmly stand on our convictions of worship being strictly reverent and somber 100% of the time. But, that's not even what I mean. We can be reverent but joyful at the same time. We can revere God with a joyful heart. Well, I would ask you to show from the Psalms that those which you are referring to are actually dealing with corporate worship. May I strongly suggest that they do not but rather they are records of festivals, celebratory treks, etc. However, I am NOT suggesting that there should be no joy or praise in the worship of God. But my objection is to the "type" of expression, the source of it, and the methods employed to evoke it. John opines:We seem to be sort of hair splitting here. Because it seems that Hymns are acceptable, but modern praise worship songs are not. But I'm confused, because why is this? I believe that they are both the product of humans not God, I could understand if we were to say we should only sing Psalms, but to say that Hymns are acceptable and modern praise songs aren't, well I don't get that. We are not splitting hairs, unfortunately. The fact is that is that there is a huge chasm between the "type" of music used in the majority of contemporary worship and that used in the old "traditional" form or worship. The issue of the lyrics is another matter again. Contemporary music uses, for the most part, a syncopated beat. Now there has been much written and scientific studies done to show the affects of syncopated beat on humans. Simply writing these studies off isn't an option. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" /> But the fact remains that the syncopated beat has adverse affects on the emotive element of humans; e.g., it has a observable effect in breaking down inhibitions and stirring sinful desires. Again, simply responding with, "It doesn't have that affect on ME, isn't a valid rebuttal. For it does have these effects on the overwhelming majority of people. Why do you suppose Rock & Roll became so popular? because it evoked a sense of the true worship of God among the populace? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes2.gif" alt="" /> Speak out against contemporary musical forms and one might get the impression that one is arguing for pro-life. Taking away the average person's dose of pop music is like taking heroin away from an addict. The response is most always one of anger . . . it is undeniably addictive to one's psyche. For more on this subject see here: Rock & Roll, the Bible and the MindLastly, you remarked: I agree that our worship should be reverent, not so sure I'm convicted by scripture on the somber part. Then perhaps you would like to interpret and apply a couple of passages such as: Psalms 89:6-7 (KJV) "For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? [who] among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all [them that are] about him."
Hebrews 12:28-29 (ASV) "Wherefore, receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us have grace, whereby we may offer service well-pleasing to God with reverence and awe: for our God is a consuming fire." In His grace,
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