The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum where do they go???

William,

I believe we have been round this block before, yes? And as everyone should know by now I openly and categorically reject this type of presumption in regard to infants, covenant members, or anyone else. I hold firmly and consistently to "UNCONDITIONAL Election", i.e., without regard to family, covenant, nationality, race, gender, or anything whatsoever to do with the individual. Esau was no less a covenant child than Jacob and yet God only loved Jacob and hated Esau. The majority of Israeli "covenant children" perished in unbelief and were doubtless reprobate.

Election and Reprobation were indeed decreed from all eternity but again the decree is UNCONDITIONAL and is not based upon "covenant", i.e., all good little covenant children are elect and evil little non-covenant children are reprobate. Not that it means much, but I am NOT a "covenant child", but rather the off-spring of two pagan parents as were their parents and so forth, back as far as history records the family lineage. So, once again, salvation, predestination, and election are NOT about "covenant" but rather they are all of God's FREE SOVEREIGN GRACE.

The ONLY things a believing parent can presume are: 1) the child(ren) are born spiritually dead and under the wrath of God and therefore are in need of Christ, 2) that God uses means to call His elect to faith and thus it is a serious responsibility to raise the child(ren) with those means, and 3) the God of all the earth will only and always do right. Thus not one of God's elect will ever perish and no amount of presumption will ever save a sinner, whether it is an unborn covenant child or a 100 year old grandmother.

In His grace,