Pilgrim:

I think I see where we differ. AS I look back i could have been a tad clearer. THe elect never go kicking and screaming to Christ once regenerated. And the unregenerate will never go kicking and screaming to hell. My point is old nature vs new nature. God's irresistable grace does compel, force the old nature to succumb to this new spirit. Where the new creation becomes willing in the day of salvation. Becasue he now desires it. At the point of regeneration, the old will is 'forced' per se by the power of God to respond to the call becasue it is completely changed.

Calvin:

two things are clearly taught, viz., that the Lord both corrects, or rather destroys, our depraved will, and also substitutes a good will from himself. In as much as it is prevented by grace, I have no objection to your calling it a handmaid; but in as much as when formed again, it is the work of the Lord, it is erroneous to say, that it accompanies preventing grace as a voluntary attendant. Therefore, Chrysostom is inaccurate in saying, that grace cannot do any thing without will, nor will any thing without grace, (Serm. de Invent. Sanct. Crucis;) as if grace did not, in terms of the passage lately quoted from Paul, produce the very will itself.



I still disagree that it is a recreation of some sort. I dont know if you mean going back to original adam or what. I believe is is a complete transplant of the heart. Like I mentioned above, it is not giving medicine to the old heart, but actually taking it out and replacing it with a new one.

I hope I am more clear now.

Last edited by Joe k; Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:26 PM.
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