Just reading your response to Pilgrim -
Election and Predestination DOES NOT negate our responsibility and these things are not revealed to us they are hidden - God has commanded us thru his revealed will what we must do and it includes fleaing to Jesus for mediation.
Now if you want to argue that scripture does not say what we think it says that is fine - but I think we have to clarify our foundations.
Reformed believes man is in bondage to sin to the point where we will never choose anything spiritually good. (We have scriptures to support this).
Do you believe we have any spiritual ability to do or choose anything spiritually good?
We also believe that God is in sovereign control of everything and must give man thru His spirit the ability to come to His son. (We have scriptures to support this).
Do you believe God is in sovereign control of everything? And that we can be saved without His saving grace/being Born Again/Regenerated - which is a spiritual work - the gift of God - which is produced in us via the HS! We can't regenerate ourselves. We can't make ourselves Born Again. If you answered yes to total depravity you MUST answer yes to the idea that God must work in us the ability and desire to be turned to HIM. He is calling the shots - not us!!!
The scriptures that "seem" to support your side must be considered in context and mesh with the scriptures that support are 2 main points!!!
How the heck did I get caught up in this - I just wanted to talk about hyper-Calvinsim <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif" alt="" />
