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xyz said: And Jesus' sacrifice made sure that no-one can claim to have offended God and got away with it, otherwise God would not be sovereign. That is why Jesus' sacrifice is effective. God is satisfied, and what people do about it is their own business in that respect. But you don't seem to believe and/or understand that truth. Let's look this from a human example: You owe 5 Trillion dollars to a debtor. You are incapable of work, you have no means whatsoever, and you are sitting in debtor's prison. Someone comes along, takes pity on you and pays off your debt in full. This person further agrees to pay for any and all debts you might incur in the future. The Debtor is fully satisfied and thus you are no longer liable for the original debt nor any future debt. It doesn't make any difference whatsoever whether you accept the other person's act of incredible generosity or not. The debt is PAID.... the debtor has been satisfied and thus no longer holds you accountable. If you want to go on thinking you still owe the money, that's fine, albeit stupid. But the LEGAL aspects of the matter have been closed. Flatly denying that the debt has been paid does not and cannot change the fact that it was paid. The issue was resolved by a transaction that occurred between another individual and the debtor. This is something you have no authority nor power to change. The prison cell door is wide open and you are free to walk out. Whether you choose to remain in that cell or walk out is up to you, but nevertheless, the DEBT IS PAID IN FULL. Granted, the illustration is not a perfect one and there are some aspects of it which do not accord with the atonement of Christ, i.e., the fact that the ones for whom He died are given the desire and ability to recognize Christ for who He is and their personal need of His grace of salvation. They ALL are made willing in God's perfect time. In His grace,
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