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BradJHammond said:
Again, I am in total agreement. But while I see a lot in there about total depravity, I do not see anything about original or imputed guilt. I am fully aware that Owen, Packer, and Pink (and MacArthur, Boice, and Spurgeon) all believe in original guilt; but again, I would like to see evidence that any of them have made this belief integral to their evangelistic preaching or proclamation of the gospel.
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My concern was from my understanding or misunderstanding you as saying that it is unnecessary to include in the Gospel message the condition of sinners; i.e., they are 1) under the wrath of God (imputation of Adam's guilty) and 2) at enmity with God (inherited depraved nature). It is a rare thing today to hear any such thing concerning man's fallen spiritual condition. The emphasis invariably is upon the sinner to DO something and the various Madison Avenue sales techniques and/or psychological appeals to evoke a response.

You have no argument from me in all that you wrote in your response as it is all true, IMHO and fully in accord with historic biblical Christianity (aka: Calvinism). So again, I was assuredly not focusing upon merely the aspect of Adam's imputed guilt but "Original Sin" in its fullness which shows all men are under the wrath of God by nature (Eph 2:1-5; Rom 1:18ff; 5:16, 18; 8:1 (guilt assumed)) as well as totally depraved in their nature and thus unwilling and unable to turn to God by faith in Christ, never mind love Him and repent of their sins.

I do hope I have now cleared up any misunderstanding I might have caused? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In His grace,

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simul iustus et peccator

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