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William said:
I think that probably the majority on this discussion board do not believe God only loves the elect. Their are some also (myself) that believe God has never hated the elect just for the very reason you give about loving the WORLD for a father even when he is angry still loves his children.
Could you give me your interpretation of any references in a reformed creed that teaches God loves every human being? William, If you'd like I could give you a list of Scriptures which I believe teach that God loves every human being, although I'd say its a pretty standard list and those who reject God's universal love have replies and alternative interpretations for each one of them. As for Reformed Creeds, I'm honestly not familiar enough with any of them to help you there -- I'm not aware that any of them explicitly reject the claim that God loves all men; but,I could be mistaken about that, and if I am, I'm sure someone will correct me. Apart from the biblical passages which I believe explicitly teach that God loves all men, it is His common grace, the fact that He provides countless blessings to those who deserve only condemnation and death, that provides the best evidence. As David said, "the LORD is good to all, and His compassion is over all that He has made (Ps. 145:9) Perhaps the best I can offer at this point is the following passage from Louis Berkhof's Systematic Theology (emphasis mine): Another objection to the doctrine of common grace is that it presupposes a certain favorable disposition in God even to reprobate sinners, while we have no right to assume such a disposition in God. This stricture takes its starting point in the eternal counsel of God, in His election and reprobation. Along the line of His election God reveals His love, grace, mercy, and long-suffering, leading to salvation; and in the historical realization of His reprobation He gives expression only to His aversion, disfavor, hatred, and wrath, leading to destruction. But this looks like a rationalistic over-simplification of the inner life of God, which does not take sufficient account of His self-revelation. In speaking on this subject we ought to be very careful and allow ourselves to be guided by the explicit statements of Scripture rather than by our bold inferences from the secret counsel of God. There is far more in God than we can reduce to our logical categories. Are the elect in this life the objects of God´s love only, and never in any sense the objects of His wrath? Is Moses thinking of the reprobate when he says: “For we are consumed in thine anger, and in thy wrath are we troubled”? Ps. 90:7. Does not the statement of Jesus that the wrath of God abideth on them that obey not the Son imply that it is removed from the others when, and not until, they submit to the beneficent rule of Christ? John 3:36. And does not Paul say to the Ephesians that they “were by nature children of wrath even as the rest”? Eph. 2:3. Evidently the elect can not be regarded as always and exclusively the objects of God´s love. And if they who are the objects of God´s redeeming love can also in some sense of the word be regarded as the objects of His wrath, why should it be impossible that they who are the objects of His wrath should also in some sense share His divine favor? A father who is also a judge may loathe the son that is brought before him as a criminal, and feel constrained to visit his judicial wrath upon him, but may yet pity him and show him acts of kindness while he is under condemnation. Why should this be impossible in God? General Washington hated the traitor that was brought before him and condemned him to death, but at the same time showed him compassion by serving him with the dainties from his own table. Cannot God have compassion even on the condemned sinner, and bestow favors upon him? The answer need not be uncertain, since the Bible clearly teaches that He showers untold blessings upon all men and also clearly indicates that these are the expression of a favorable disposition in God, which falls short, however, of the positive volition to pardon their sin, to lift their sentence, and to grant them salvation. The following passages clearly point to such a favorable disposition: Prov. 1:24; Isa. 1:18; Ezek. 18:23,32; 33:11; Matt. 5:43-45; 23:37; Mark 10:21; Luke 6:35: ROM 2:4; I Tim. 2:4. If such passages do not testify to a favorable disposition in God, it would seem that language has lost its meaning, and that God´s revelation is not dependable on this subject. P.S. Please forgive all of my "unnecessary personal pronouns." <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/coffee2.gif" alt="" />
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