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William, I too have a serious problem with how they stated things: Those redeemed through faith in the atoning death of Christ on the cross (when He experienced God’s wrath, satisfying His holy justice as punishment for the sin of all who would believe; I John 4:10) <span style="background-color:yellow">are called God’s chosen or elect</span>, because salvation is the gift of God’s sovereign and amazing grace, not the result of the best efforts or works of a spiritually dead man (Romans 8:28-33; 9:11-13, 16; 11:5-6; Col. 3:12; I Peter 1:1-2; 2:8-9; Hebrews 12:2). Giving the author(s) the benefit of the doubt, I would have to say that this is poorly worded. Why? Because it can be taken in at least two different ways; perhaps more. 1) Those believing ones for whom Christ died "are called (known as) God's chosen or elect", which would put the choosing or electing prior to the believing. This is the biblical teaching since God's election is from eternity. 2) Those believing ones for whom Christ died are ( consequently, i.e., subsequent to their believing), called God's chosen or elect. This is not biblically supported and that which is believed among non-Reformed (Pelagian, semi-Pelagian and Arminian) groups. That's my ![[Linked Image]](http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/2centsroll.gif)
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