Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Originally Posted by grace2U
We have all received an express command from God if we are disciples. It is in Matt 28:19. If you will reply that the command was only to his Apostles, then there can be no discipling, no baptizing and no teaching for ever more, because there are no apostles today.
Let's just run with your interpretation of Matt. 28:19 if we may? IF, as you are insisting that ALL disciples are given the warrant to teach and baptize, then it must be that women and children who profess faith in Christ are also allowed to teach and baptize. There is nothing in the passage that would restrict them from doing so. Soooooo?

I believe the answer is "progressive revelation".... Hermeneutics 101: The Epistles interpret the Gospels. grin
I agree absolutely with you about progessive revelation. Other Scriptures prohibit women from teaching, as indeed they do novices. Under normal circumstances we wouldn't have Saul preaching, let alone baptizing, until he was trained. But these aren't normal circumstances (cf. Judges 5:6-7 ). There is no one to preach, so Saul, after seeking someone more qualified, has taken the work upon himself. Likewise, there is no one to baptize. Saul has asked for someone to come and do the job, but no one will come.

Now unless you can show me from the Scripture where new converts waited to be baptized until someone 'qualified' came, I hold to my position, and indeed, that of the 1646 Confession. Again I ask; how long should he wait? A week? A month? Six months? A year? Where is your Scripture for any delay? The guy on the spot is the one who baptizes, even if a couple of Apostles are on the way to help (Acts 8:12, 14 ).
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Thus, as I and others have maintained and which the 1689 also teaches, qualified men ordained by the Church only are to administer the sacraments (Baptist terminology: ordinances).
You have not understood this portion of the 1689 Confession. With respect, go back and read it again and observe where it deviates from the WCF or the Savoy Confession. A qualified man to be sure, but Saul has preached the Gospel and the Lord has blessed his ministry by using it in the conversion of sinners. That is all the qualification he needs. grin

Steve


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