William,

I'm at odds on how to make it any clearer than I have. My contention has always been and always will be until you or someone else can convince me otherwise that the FORM teaches "presumptive regeneration". The colored sections are salient, relevant and need to be addressed due to the phraseology used. Let's not forget that I am more than superficially familiar with the Three Forms of Unity, perhaps significantly more than you are. I did a thesis in seminary on the Canons of Dordt and I am currently teaching a class on the same. wink

Until you are willing and able to address the several questions I enumerated for you in regard to the wording of the FORM, e.g, the children being "in Christ", "members of Thine Only Begotten Son", having "forgiven our children all their sins", etc., etc., any further dialog is fruitless. I know how the inspired writers of the New Testament use those phrases and to whom they belong. If you are able to show that they belong to unregenerate individuals, which is exactly what is necessary to disprove the allegation that the FORM presumes the regeneration of every baptized covenant child, then please do so.

Lastly, you asked:

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I sincerely ask you a question. Are you implying that the WCF teaches that God kills the little baby, which He does, and THEN the Spirit of God saves his/her soul? Or is regeneration necessary for the saving of an elect infants never dying soul before the death of the body in what ever stage of development it's in?
I don't have a clue what you are asking, to be honest. I'm not implying anything. I simply provided a direct quote from the WCF concerning the death of elect infants who die in infancy. They, having been predestinated to eternal life in Jesus Christ by the immutable counsel and unsurpassable grace of God are saved in Christ no less than any conceived human being. How God unites that elect unborn infant to Christ is not certainly known, although it could be surmised that the soul is alive spiritually and drawn infallibly to the Lord Christ, for only in Him is anyone saved. Non-elect infants are not saved and will face eternal judgment no less than any other reprobate.

Again, I await your answers to the previous questions framed from the exact wording of the "Form for the Baptism of Infants". grin

In His grace,

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