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I understand your line of reasoning, but I do not find that it satisfactorily answers my question. I am not saying that I believe oikos-baptism should be used, but only that I have not found a convincing argument that it should not be yet. And that's what I thought I have been trying to address??  IMHO, the NT record of household baptisms was expected since it was a practice inaugurated by God with Abraham and carried through as the record shows by the apostles/disciples. Thus, I too see no reason why it should NOT be continued since there is no explicit nor implicit command given in the NT after household baptisms were administered. By 'not satisfactory' I did not mean that you did not give a satisfactory reason as to why NT household baptisms were administered. I think you did. By 'not satisfactory' I was referring to the final conclusion that it was only to be administered during the NT time and not to be continued today. I am still chewing on this part. Let me try to clarify your position. Are you saying that you believe that "oikos-baptism" is still the Biblical practice today with the caveat below that at some age a child has to be baptized based on profession instead of the parent's profession? In other words, for you is "paedo-baptism = oikos-baptism"? For myself, the answer is very simple. If a child is capable of making a valid profession of faith then he/she cannot be baptized without it. What age that a valid profession can be made is that which is up for debate. I may be mistaken, but I have thought that many churches to be safe, perhaps, have set the age at 3. After the age of 3 infant baptism is no administered without a profession of faith. Doubtless, this age limit varies considerably in different denominations and congregations. Personally, I do not believe a 3 year old is capable of giving a valid profession of faith. And since salvation is not tied to baptism, denying baptism to young children does no harm nor does it endanger their eternal end. Ok, I see you are with my B) position. That wasn't clear to me from your original post and caused some confusion. I think we are on the same page here.  And, I too have no definitive answer as to the "age" question which I stated above. But setting the cut-off for covenantal baptism at age at 3 seems reasonable. Thereafter, a child would have to make a valid profession of faith. Setting an age when a child could do that I think is nothing more than arbitrariness since God works in individuals as He wills. Also, a young child, let's say at 7 years old [i]may[/b] be able to make a valid profession of faith, but I suspect that this would be a rare exception. Bottom line for me is that I don't see any hard and fast biblical rule that would determine ages. Prudence and general biblical guidelines in regard to professions of faith I think are the best policy. And, as far as the cut-off age for covenantal baptism, again I think 3 is fine. I agree completely. John
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