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Tom: I don't know if your intentionally giving those on the forum an insult or not, if your in the dark and need clarification on some issue then say so. But just so you understand where I am coming from. Since Theonomy is intent on reconstructing society along lines expectedly set forth in the Old Testament law, to put it simply they intend that government is once again to model the theocratic kingdom of Israel. And this is to reflect their idea of what the kingdom is supposed to be under Christ. Now this is in direct contradiction to how Amillennialists view how the kingdom of Christ is, to them the kingdom is completely spiritual in nature. The only physical earthly representation of Christ's kingdom is found in His servants I.E. Christians/Church. They don't look to anything remotely looking like a theocratic state as the kingdom. For that matter most Amillennialists view the law as ceremonial, civil, and moral. As did the classic postmillennialists such as Boettner. Boettner saw the spread of the gospel as the factor in Christianizing the nations. It was this and not the Law that would bring about the change. (Notice there is a distinction between Law and Gospel with the classical posties.) Contrast that with this quote by Ray Sutton: Many sound Christians have exercised influence there [i.e., the political and social arena]. They have held political office. But more often than not they have not ruled by the Bible, particularly God's law. Rather, men such as Abraham Kuyper believed in the rule of natural law, even though he implemented some fine Christian legislation. So, after Kuyper the present age of decadence began. Why? Because the Bible and God's law were not set up as the rule. Christians ruled, in other words, but they did not establish Christian rule, namely under God's Law. Frankly this is a distortion of what the Bible teaches whether you are A or Post, yes all rule has been given to Christ but not as a continuation of the theocratic kingdom of Israel that is Old Covenant and was fulfilled in Christ. The New Covenant brings us a kingdom that isn't shaken by those that rebel against the laws, as Israel did. We aren't thrown out or judged by other nations because Christ fulfilled all that. We get the blessings not the curses the curses are for those that are outside the covenant. We are under Grace and thank you Jesus for that. BTW if you want to read a great article that shows why Bahnsen/Rushdoony/North and the rest of the theonomists were not the same type of postmillennialist as Boettner and Hodge read this: Theonomic Postmillennialism
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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