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Wayne: My perception is the modern church lacks a complete understanding of God’s expectation in Luke 10:25-28. In this passage I see God expecting all to love Him with all one’s heart, with all one’s mind and with all one’s soul. With man this is impossible but with God, all things are possible including meeting this expectation. QUESTION: Is it your opinion that a true Christian has the ability, in this life here on earth, to love God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love his neighbor as [he loves] himself? And, by doing this he will inherit eternal life... according to the words of the Lord Christ in Luke 10:25-28? Wayne: This is what I said above: “I do not have “a definition” of Christian Love. I believe the Holy Spirit has helped me construct a summary. The summary was to be posted in this forum but it got posted in the open forum some time ago.” I spent a lot of time seeking God’s perspective on that summary. As a result, I believe the Holy Spirit helped me develop it. The posts that I have been making on this site have not been subject to the same amount of prayerful consideration. This was sin on my part and I ask forgiveness from all who may have been offended by it.
Pilgrim: I could just as easily state that my disagreements with your view(s) aren't simply my own, but the Holy Spirit has helped me see their error(s) and/or inconsistencies with Scripture.
Wayne: From what I have see, I am sure you are prayerfully seeking God’s perspectives and He is helping you construct your replies. The problem I am having with the above remains, despite your sincere effort to explain yourself. Why? Because IF you have sought God and the Holy Spirit has "helped you develop it", and likewise, I have prayerfully sought God's infallible Word for a true understanding of what the Holy Spirit wrote through the instrumentality of holy men of old, but I have come to an understanding that is contrary to yours, what conclusion do you think one must make?  Wayne: I appreciate your patience and the extra effort you have made to help me understand the problem you have with “love is the Holy Spirit”. After reflecting on your description of the problem, I agree I did not have a basis for saying that. That was sin and I ask forgiveness from all who may have been offended by it. I am thankful, as I am quite sure most everyone else is too, that you have now realized the grievous error in stating that "love is the Holy Spirit". However, it is not my/our forgiveness that you should be seeking but rather God's forgiveness in Christ. As I have tried on several occasions to express my deepest concern for the modern church over its woeful lack of sound doctrinal teaching and its practice, you have unconsiously helped to illustrate my concern most vividly. And, as I have also tried to convey to you that although I would never deny that "love" is an essential quality of the renewed heart, that love cannot exist without proper expression. Love's expression is defined and directed by one knowing and then doing all the preceptive will of God as found in Holy Scripture. One cannot possibly love God rightly without a proper knowledge and understanding of God himself. (Col 1:9,10, et al) The more one increases in a true knowledge of God, the more one will love Him. Doubtless, there are those who have a vast intellectual knowledge of God but whose hearts are far from Him, for they are yet spiritually dead (Jh 4:22-24; Acts 17:23-31). Such is the current state of the modern church... there are those who are full of intellectual knowledge, both true and false, who are teaching these things to the masses who without little question receive this false preaching/teaching and both clergy and laity assure themselves that they "love" God, yet they lack what is most necessary; to be born anew from above by the Holy Spirit. Romans 1:16-17 (ASV) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith."
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