Tom, sorry I just seen this and all I can say is what I said above, have you seen Hayford's book. And this person has listened to him awhile back, not sure how long,but JM sent a bunch of tapes when they were tapes to a church he was attending. I haven't either personally heard these. Or have I heard him say that. I have watched countless Sproul conferences and never heard him say that. And understand context is everything. I am not saying he is a false gospel pastor. God speed.