Originally Posted by Church44
Originally Posted by SovereignGrace
I think it comes down to when exactly was Revelation was written; was it during the reign of Domitian or was it during the reign of Nero? I have come to accept the early date writing of Revelation, probably 65-66 AD. Plus, the temple was still standing when it was measured, as I think ppl erroneously think there’s a third temple to be erected and animal sacrifices being reinstituted. IMO, the OT prophecies concerning the temple being rebuilt was fulfilled in Ezra and Nehemiah.

That's interesting. I've never met anyone who doesn't believe there is going to be a third temple during the tribulation.. What brought you to that conclusion? Do you have any scripture to support this idea?

If you are right; how do you explain this?

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." {2Th 2:4 KJV}

And what about all the media coverage of the plans to rebuild the temple, the Sanhedrin being reestablished, the creation and expansion of the Temple Institute and it's training of priests, the red heifers, etc...?

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Now, let’s look at the surrounding vss in 2 Thess. 2:4 to establish the context, and I’m using the NASB95…

Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.[2 Thessalonians 2:1-12]

As we see, the immediate context is to you & your. Now, who exactly are they? The Thessalonians Paul was writing to. As highlighted in the above, now was the time of his restraint(not millennia later but at the time of Paul writing to them) and that he was already at work(as Paul attests in the above and not at work millennia later). I believe it was Emperor Nero who was the man of lawlessness and I’ll provide an article by Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Jr. why I believe it’s him.

Let me add this: why would Paul warn ppl of something that’s happening millennia later? That’d be like me knowing where you live and God showing me that on March 26, 3156 where you live at, Russia, China, Italy, Germany, England, Brazil, and Columbia were going to obliterate where you live at on that day and me warning you to flee from there. Why would I warn you to flee when it’s more than 1,100 years later that will take place? It’s fruitless to warn ppl of something that’s to take place millennia later is my point.

Last edited by SovereignGrace; Sun Jul 20, 2025 4:51 PM.

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