I’ll chime in here… I asked you before.

Explain how America’s government was aligned with your position. When did it stop aligning with your position? How did the GOVERNMENT change? I’m just hearing a lot of platitudes from your end. I think you are elevating your “belief” to a political reality that doesn’t exist. The reason the political reality appeared to exist is cause the country wasn’t as outwardly insane as it is now. I kind of find the tact you’re taking with pilgrim as stubborn (mostly cause you’re being hardened to what he’s said repeatedly on this board). I’m sure he will set you straight. I think you’re a little seduced by the CN guys.

You realize that Thomas Jefferson was a universalist, right? He was a Unitarian. He was not a Trinitarian. So our founding principle of freedom of religion was founded on natural law (which has served us pretty well in our freedom to practice without obstructions, Thanks Be to God’s Restraining Hand thus far), not true religion or Jesus Christ. We were outwardly more aligned with true religion but we’ve never been biblically and theologically faithful and our government was never Christian (in a proper sense). So what is this high ground that you seem to claim. Some of the most influential men in our government’s infancy would be considered heretics in a truly biblical/theological sense.

In GOD We Trust is not Trinitarian - it’s a slogan that in many cases has no part with the Name & Work of Jesus Christ. It’s as much referring to the Unitarian free mason god of Thomas Jefferson and the like (have you ever looked at the symbols on the American one dollar bill)

The R2Kers are a kind of flip side error of yours - they think the public square is neutral, you think the public square WAS faithful - it never was.

Last edited by Anthony C.; Mon Oct 20, 2025 5:26 PM.