The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum King of Kings

I indicated that my last reply was my last.i feel however, that I need to say a few things. I better let this be my last one though.

First of all, I have more respect for Pilgrim than you know. Look at how long I have been a member of this board. If I did not have respect for Pilgrim, I would never have stayed this long.
I have not been silent with Pilgrim, I have actually tried to be as honest as possible.

I have actually spend many hours researching to inform myself about this discussion.
I have no idea how I could spend more time, without neglecting other things.

I am at a loss at wondering why you think I am not speaking about both the past and how the past can inform now.

You are giving me the impression that the founding fathers and their writing, has no bearing on today.
When the fact is, it is a call to return to the founding principles that made America great.

That is the message that Voddie Baucham was about. Both spiritually and politically.

I am not sure how I could say it better than I have already.

In your number 1.). I am not even sure how you came to the conclusion that I want the state to become the Church. Nothing could be further from the truth.

That is not the governments responsibility, catechizing people is the job of the Church and family.
However, both Scripture and the founding documents of the United States, say the nation is under God, which includes the government.

Romans 13:1-7, lays out the governments responsibility.
Not the responsibility of the Church or Family. (I enjoyed Samuel Waldron’s series on this.)

You also seemed to have completely missed the fact I talked about Thomas Jefferson. Please go back and read it again.

I could talk a little more about him and a few others. But, I think it should suffice.

Nobody said anything about rectifying things overnight. That can only happen over time. In fact, although there has been pushback. President Trump, is destroying the Woke, Cultural Marxist inroads that they have made, in the here and now. Programs like DEI, that are nothing more than Woke tools are being dismantled.

Antifa has been declared a terrorist organization by President Trump. Unfortunately, they have been welcomed in Canada. I think I have talked about that in the past, so I will not rehash it.

The Church and the family, have in many cases caved into the culture around them.

When people like Voddie Baucham and Tom Ascol talk about that very thing and calling them to repentance. They get flack back even from their own denomination.

For example, Founders Ministries which is lead by Tom Ascol started because the SBC was heading away from their founders roots. Their roots are very much similar to the beliefs of CH Spurgeon and the 1689 LBCF.
Yet, Arminians and other things such as egalitarianism and even CT, made inroads in the SBC.

Many believe Founders is wasting their time and to come out from among them.
Yet, they themselves have actually gained some ground back.
Of late, they started their own seminary which was supposed to have Voddie Baucham as their President (Now replaced with Tom Ascol).

This seminary has a high priority on the Church and all their students must come with a letter from their Church and be of good standing.

They see a great need, to train up pastors with a high view of God, and His Word. Mainly because many pastors today, are weak on the Bible, and/or have compromised to the culture around them.

Recently, in a conversation over coffee my pastor was telling me about his frustration when they were trying to hire an associate pastor.

He was saying that he got a lot of applications, but most he got rid of right away.
When he got to the interview stage, he asked pointed questions and was disappointed almost every time.
These were all seminary educated from his denomination.

The Church finally found one, he is young and married with two children under two. Seems to be working out well and has been there for about a year now.

I hope that answers why society has abandoned the founding principles.
If you have watched Voddie preach enough times, I don’t think it is possible to not hear him answering the questions you asked.

I had thought I had answered them, but apparently not.

I better stop there.