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#15315 Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:21 AM
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It was this type of 'entertainment' that was one of the original problems that got me thinking. We know where I ended up. Unfortunately, I see far too much of this stuff, and it is becoming nauseating. Tom is correct, they have replaced sound Biblical principles for the preferences of the unregenerate.

At the church I used to attend (until last month), this kind of stuff was starting to happen too. Not nearly to the extent in the original post though. At the last service I attended there, the pastor wanted to illustrate the concept of "rejection", so they tried to show a scene from the movie "Seabiscuit" with a projector. Unfortunately (or fortunately), the computer they were using to play it kept messing up. So for about 15 minutes the sermon just stopped while they fiddled with the equipment. Then, when the pastor gave up and went back to preaching, the technician kept trying to get it to work, so bits of the movie would flash on the screen during the sermon. All I could think was, "what am I doing here?" If I wanted to watch "Seabiscuit" I would have done it at home, and it was certainly not appropriate to show it during the sermon. I certainly don't see how one can be worshipping God while watching "Seabiscuit". That was the last straw for me, and I haven't been back since then. But it's very disheartening to see so many people go to church and think they are being taught about God, but really the content is so empty. And it's even more frustrating when those people are your friends and they don't see anything wrong with what's going on.

I agree with what Marie said,

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To the unregenerate brain, yes, but to those who are redeemed, no! How can you possibly call hymns, prayer, and expository preaching boring? How can you call the worship of the One True and Living God boring?

and with what Pilgrim said in another thread

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It is in the preaching and teaching of sound biblical doctrine that will move men from their complacency, should the Lord will. (Rom 1:16; 1Tim 1:3; 4:16; 2Tim 3:16; 2Tim 4:2; et al) It isn't the "delivery" which will move men, but the Truth which will set them free (Jh 8:32); free from the sins of complacency, indolence, sloth, worldliness and all such hindrances. But, if one is only a Christian by profession and not by possession, then no amount of para-church programs is going to have any effect on one's soul. It will simply encourage and solidify their hollow "churchianity" which only leads to eternal death.

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WOW!

What did the audience, er, congregation do while waiting for 15 minutes? Somehow I don't think most of them were reading through some Psalms or meditating on their need for God's mercy and grace.

I will pray for you as you find a church home to go to. Will it be hard to find one where you are? Is the Japanese-speaking Presbyterian one still an option?


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WOW!

What did the audience, er, congregation do while waiting for 15 minutes? Somehow I don't think most of them were reading through some Psalms or meditating on their need for God's mercy and grace.

I will pray for you as you find a church home to go to. Will it be hard to find one where you are? Is the Japanese-speaking Presbyterian one still an option?

Well, I think most people just chatted casually, if I remember correctly. But I really don't remember it that well now. It was just bizarre.

Yes, I have visited that church several more times, and I have almost made up my mind to make it my choice. The language is a struggle (big struggle), but I can get copies of the sermons which helps. From what I can tell, I really believe that the teaching is on a solid Reformed foundation. Also, the service is very structured which I like. They actually take the offering and make the announcements at the end of the service which I think helps keep the focus during the service on God. The announcements are all printed and handed out, then the sheet is read. This sort of keeps the announcer from ad-libbing. The hymns are all from the hymnal without any contemporary songs (I do enjoy contemporary hymns/songs, but I don't mind a church that stays with traditional songs). But, so far, I don't the meaning of what I'm singing most of the time. Hopefully, my vocabulary will increase quickly though.

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Players Give Way to Prayers

By Dana Calvo Special to The Times

HOUSTON — During close games at Houston's Compaq Center, basketball and hockey fans did their share of praying. Next spring, the stadium will hear some serious hallelujahs.

After a 14-month, $75-million renovation, the Compaq Center will reopen as Lakewood Church, the nation's largest house of worship.

With 16,000 seats, two waterfalls and an interior camera ready for Sunday broadcasts, the reborn structure dovetails national trends that promise to shake up the economics of urban real estate: the increasing number of obsolete sports stadiums and the meteoric growth of huge religious congregations that need "megachurches."

Requiring arena-sized seating and vast parking lots, these churches are expensive to build and demand large plots of land that are difficult to come by in urban areas. That has made rejected sports arenas, faced with demolition, fertile ground for religious conversion.

It may be a commercial real estate boomlet in its infancy. Besides the Compaq Center, only the Forum in Inglewood has made the jump, now drawing about 6,000 on Sundays as the Faithful Central Bible Church. (The church moved in before all the Forum's event contracts had been fulfilled, so in the early days worshipers shared space with the Women of Wrestling league.)

But interest appears to be growing. Joel Osteen, the 41-year-old pastor of Lakewood Church, said half a dozen pastors from around the country had asked him how he went about signing the 30-year, $12.3-million lease on the Compaq Center.

Church leaders, he said, realize they have to be inventive these days.

"You have to change with the times," he said. "If Jesus were here he'd change with the times. He couldn't ride around on a donkey. He'd drive a car."

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Lakewood Church won't be the economic engine for the area that the old stadium was, but the county is getting something out of it: $12.3 million upfront for the lease, according to Lakewood spokesman Don Iloff.

For Lakewood, the move to the old Compaq Center next April (just in time for Easter services) will give it celestial bragging rights of sorts.

Already the fastest-growing congregation in the country with more than 30,000 members, Lakewood in its new home will eclipse the 27,000-member Crenshaw Christian Center of Los Angeles as the biggest church in the nation — 16,000 seats versus 10,000 or so at Crenshaw Christian Center's landmark FaithDome.

The Rockets' old locker room is becoming a nursery. A swath of stadium seating has been torn out to make room for the waterfalls that will bookend the 200-person choir. And a state-of-the-art hydraulic stage is being built for the choir and the nine-person band, which features an electric guitar but no organ.

Osteen tends to his global flock with broadcasts on ABC Family, Pax TV and BET, reaching more than two dozen of the largest television markets in the country, as well as far-flung spots that include Estonia and Cyprus.

The Compaq Center's 20 luxury suites have been turned into electrical rooms from which Lakewood's 25-person production team will operate lighting, curtains and cameras. It is, Osteen admits, a service conceived to lure and retain a generation of worshippers who want their Bible-based inspiration served up in an entertaining package.

There are some sports venues that have been discarded by pro teams but have yet to be made over as megachurches. Houston's multipurpose Astrodome, for example, sits vacant.

"It's a 60,000-seat building that's very sound," Luck said, "but I don't know if there's a church that needs that much space."

Lakewood's Osteen isn't so sure. "I think there could be a day when we see 75,000 [congregants] instead of 25,000," he said. "I think there's that potential."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...ivewaytoprayers


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