Is that we are doing warfare in such a way as to result in fewer deaths, less destruction and injuries than ever before in the history of the world, faster - and yet the protesters are all upset about the death and destruction happening over there. They weep over the children of Iraq... Yet these are the same people who argue a woman's "right" to choose abortion for her unborn and who likely approve euthaniasia as well.<br><br>Consistency, is it alive?
Tom,<br><br>You continue to support pacifism, your "proud" government, and say you are discontent, and yet you blame others. You say that you support the [color:red]U</font color=red>[color:blue]S</font color=blue> and in the same breath you complain about [color:red]U</font color=red>[color:blue]S</font color=blue>. The problem is that you refuse to admit your error and that of your government!<br><br>You desire an apology. Go to all the weeping mothers and widows of the coalition's lost service men and woman and ask them for an apology! When they ask, "Where you live?" you may proudly tell them that you are a tax paying citizen of Canada that supported Iraq! Tell them you are proud to be a Canadian! <br><br>You are willing to fight with words because you couldn't get a tank of gas in the [color:red]U</font color=red>[color:blue]S</font color=blue>, but refuse to fight against the tyranny of the government that put you in that position in the first place. Tom, grow up, you owe yourself an apology for thinking the way you do!<br><br>I personally have nothing at all against any Canadian, German, Frenchmen, et. al., but when they present themselves and their causes, the way you have, I have allot against their "pacifist voice" they portray. Thus, Tom, once again, I wrote against what you said and not against you personally! I cannot apologize for the truth against your words of discontent and pacifism! <br><br>And Tom, I will even give you a tank of gas if you visit Georgia! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Consistency, is it alive?</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>EF_Grant,<br><br>One of the questions I gave to our High School missions group, who was reading "Always Ready" as part of their preparation, was taken from Chapter 29 and read:<br><br>What are two key intellectual sins committed by people?<br><br>The answer according to Dr. Bahnsen was inconsistency and arbitrariness.<br><br>I think you have indeed asked a salient question! (I never used that word until I saw Pilgrim use it, great word, eh?! Thanks for the vocabulary builder, Pilgrim) [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]<br><br>~Jason
Tom,<br>You and I have had our own Canadian/American discussions but the irony in what you say just infuriates me! The fact that you privatedly emailed me so you could convince me that Americans were the bad guys here and Canada was just a country of peace-loving individuals.<br><br>If your family had British Columbia liscense plates what exactly where they doing "motor-homing" across OUR United States? A country where you yourself said was a country of the rudes people in the world?<br><br>I am confused at why, if America is so bad, why come here? I told you before it really doesn't matter whether Canadian's come here or not. In fact, if you are going to complain about us, do it in your own counrty. If American is such a terrible country why do Canadians, and any other country that opposes our beliefs, even bother coming? If I thought about a country the way America is being talked about in Canada, France, Russia, and Germany, I wouldn't even bother to go to that country. Yet, you speak of whether it was LEGAL for us not to give you gas???<br><br>Isn't that the height of hypocrisy? People want take part in our Liberties, yet they denounce the very blood that was shed to secure these liberties!! And then, begrudge us liberating others!<br><br>I personally think we as a country, and specifically the mothers and fathers throughout history who have grieved as their children gave their lives to secure our right to live in freedom, are the ones truly offended by Canada and other godless countries. They are the ones that need an apology.<br><br>I find it terribly alarming that anyone who has been set free would not in turn want others to feel that same liberty.<br><br>And in closing, my 18 year son had a great observation! He said when hearing that the Canadians(who by the way, I grew up in Florida where MANY people visit, and of all the people, the consensus my entire life was that the Canadians were the rudest!) he was so angry and said, "Mom, what exactly has Canada ever contributed to the world anyway?"<br><br>God Bless America<br>Land that I love<br>
[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/clapping.gif" alt="clapping" title="clapping[/img]<br><br>And so, Tom attempted to use a back door approach and e-mailed you privately. Sounds similar to what the Canadian government did in helping out the Iraqi's. His government was caught and now so is he. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img]<br><br>Tom, Linda has it right:<br><br><ul>[color:blue] Isn't that the height of hypocrisy? People want take part in our Liberties, yet they denounce the very blood that was shed to secure these liberties!! And then, begrudge us liberating others![/LIST]</font color=blue> May God give you grace!
I don't think it should be legal for the USA's suburb to the north to be so contentious towards us either. <br><br>Canada had every right NOT to join us in the war. Let's be very clear on that.<br>Let's ALSO be clear that, if somebody invades Canada, the USA has every right NOT to defend Canada [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]<br><br>Steve
Anybody who refuses to serve a Canadian in the United States should be ashamed of themselves. We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty. Just because somebody is Canadian we should not assume that they necessarily oppose the war.<br>I am American, and I live in a country where roughly 1.5 million babies are murdered each year. Should everybody who meets me assume that I favor that slaughter? <br>If I owned a restaurant, and a Hillary Clinton supporter [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/puke.gif" alt="puke" title="puke[/img] entered my establishment, should I refuse to serve him or her because they likely voted for people who were pro-choice?<br><br>Should Canadians be SURPRISED that people don't serve them? No, they should not. It is human nature to hold it against the Canadians. But those of us who are Christian are supposed to be above mere human nature, right?<br><br>Steve
Regarding Bumper stickers...<br>I saw an excellent one on a Canadian 18 wheeler yesterday...<br>It said "My Canada supports the War!"<br>Amen,<br>Steve
who by the way, I grew up in Florida where MANY people visit, and of all the people, the consensus my entire life was that the Canadians were the rudest!) <br>An interesting observation on your and your sons part!<br><br>Having visited Panama City Beach, Florida at least 15 times, I must say that the folks from Ontario (at least 1/2 the folks there) were without a doubt the friendliest and most polite. Having spent quite a bit of time in Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston, I must say that the Canadians seem pretty friendly to me.<br>Furthermore, it is very evident when one crosses from Detroit, MI into Windsor, that the Canadian side is much friendlier with better service.<br>Additionally, when you go from Glacier into Waterton Lakes (Montana to Alberta), it is soon evident how much cleaner the part in Canada is (this was 15 years ago, things may have changed).<br><br>Finally I for one, although I find the Canadians position on the war and generally their politics reprehensible, am not going to condemn Canadians for coming to the USA. I can't stand the French and their government (there, I said it), but boy, I sure would like to see Paris some day. And I would hope that, even if they hate Americans, that they treat me with the dignity and respect that American treat them when they are here.<br><br>Steve
Steve<br><br>Oh, I am sorry! I didn't realize the person who refused to serve gas was a Christian, or are we just assuming that? <br>I would never, as a Christian refuse to serve anyone, regardless of their nationality. However, as a Christian, I would never refuse to liberate a people who have been treated so horrendously! <br><br>Doesn't this just sound like hypocrisy to you? "I am shocked that they would not serve me gas, but you desperate people of Iraq just forget about ever being free?" Wow! Where is the logic? Not to mention humanity!!<br><br>Do you not see that liberty of a nation also means that the gospel can then be preached? I am not so naive to think we can start a PCA church tomorrow in Bagdad, but do you not believe God has His elect, may even just ONE "righteous" in that country? I spoke with a lady yesterday who teaches in a Classical School in Iraq. A friend of mine, George Grant, helped start it. He is doing a series of lectures on understanding the Islamic nations. She told me that there are people who are converted in that country and there is such a need to reach that nation. <br><br>I really don't understand the mind of someone who in opposed to liberating a nation where children are in prison, taken from their families, because they don't want to fight in an evil army. A dictator, who commands his people to commit suicide so he can keep the people repressed while stealing from them? Do people, Christians, really oppose pulling people from a country where the dictator kills his own cousin so as to take over the nation? And Christians, do we sit by while enjoy our motor-homing around a free land, oppose freeing a people so they too can enjoy the same liberties? Do the Ben Franklin test..........draw a line down the middle of a piece of paper and on one side write down why liberation would be good, and on the other why it would be bad, because those are the two choices.<br><br>The story of the Good Samaritan speaks volumes of what a Christian should really do. I just am saddened when the people who are offended by someone not selling them gas(which by the way is a right just like the right to oppose the war) would oppose anyone giving another human being his freedom!<br><br>The fact that we are "Christians" does in no way condone the ungodliness of another country. Please don't use that analogy.<br>Because we cannot sit by and allow such atrocities does in no way make us less Christian. The guy who would not sell gas was trying to make a statement just like those demonstrators against the liberation of the Iraqi people. But I am curious, why would you even want to buy gas from us? <br><br>And, yes, not all Canadians feel that way, so why defend the ones that do?<br><br>How do we as Christians sit back and watch the slaughter of any human being? How do the Canadians? We gave Sadaam more than enough time to surrender. Our true sin lies in not doing this earlier!! <br><br>Tom if you are one who does not oppose this freedom, then God bless you, but if you do, maybe should should ask yourself why.
The story of the Good Samaritan speaks volumes of what a Christian should really do. I just am saddened when the people who are offended by someone not selling them gas(which by the way is a right just like the right to oppose the war) would oppose anyone giving another human being his freedom!<br><br>Opposing the war is a freedom in this country. Not selling a product based upon race, religion, or ethnicity is discrimination. <br><br>One final question - was the remainder of the post to me, or Tom? I could not tell. Sorry if I'm confused!<br><br>Steve C
Steve,<br><br>Your observations may be true, but that comment comes from an email Tom sent me about a week ago about how rude the American's were, etc. I was only in response to that telling my experience. The point being, for Tom to try to convince me, which he did ernestly, that the American's are the rudest people in the world, and that every thinks that makes me wonder what his intent was?<br><br>The point being there are rude people and nice people in all parts of the world. I grew up where people from Michigan, NY, NJ,<br>(being from Florida) where there was both rude and very nice people, and yes even some Canadians. I just don't see what that has to do with the war? His point to me was that we are hated around the world because we are so rude!!<br><br>So, in closing, why do people do everything they can to come here if we are such a motley crew? <br><br>Well, as I said I am sincerely kind to all not because they are of the same religious affections as myself, or simply because they are of the same political mind, but rather because I have a Saviour who died for the souls of men. I would never knowingly be rude to anyone. But this isn't really about rudeness is it? It is about hating a man who sees a PEOPLE who need to be free.<br><br>God bless you all
Do the Ben Franklin test..........draw a line down the middle of a piece of paper and on one side write down why liberation would be good, and on the other why it would be bad, because those are the two choices.<br><br>First off, I want to say clearly that I am for this war. My "Hollywood Anger" post a few weeks ago should make that clear.<br>That being said, the Ben Franklin test is not quite right. Yes, there are two choices - being liberated and not being liberated. However, if we choose that a liberated Iraq is better than a non-liberated Iraq, this does not necessarily mean going to war is the best solution.<br>Theoretically, there could be numerous solutions. There are those opposed to the war that favor a liberated Iraq and believe there are peaceful means of achieving that. I personally think they are "all wet", but nevertheless they favor a free Iraq...their methods of achieving a free Iraq are other than war. Additionally, there are those that favor a free Iraq believing that the consequences of the US going to war outweigh the possible liberation of Iraq. Again, I disagree, but these people can't be accused of being against a liberated Iraq.<br><br>I guess what is a bit annoying to me is that those of us FOR the war (I am guilty of this too, certainly) label everybody against the war as being "pro-Saddam". Certainly many are, especially in Hollywood, the media, etc. However, some are very anti-Saddam. Their problem is not that they are anti-America or anti-Christian, it is that they are idealists. They sincerely believe it possible to enact radical political change peacefully! This is the rare exception. <br><br>It is the same with abortion, actually. There are those who are pro-abortion who sincerely do not understand that they are killing a baby. They have been duped into believing that life does not begin at conception, but only at 1) An arbitrary stage in development, or 2) At birth. These people, although they are certainly just as guilty of killing, do not understand the truth of the matter. Similarly, those who are against the war AND against Saddam do not understand the ramifications of NOT going to war. If we don't go to war, nothing changes. Saddam would have continued to slaughter thousands, depriving his people while living in riches. <br><br>Steve<br>
